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 Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), mroban, 18. Sep 2003 08:15 | ||
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| Party Poker $30 NL Sit and Go last night. I was the chip leader through much of the game after an early double up and some other smaller pots. was up to T2600 early and sat back watching other players bust out until it got down to 5 players. The blinds escalate really quickly at PP and suddenly we were at 50-100. A player that was getting desperate at T900 had gone allin a few times in a row and got away with it. The third time, I was in the BB with AKs and he went allin. I could have easily folded here to be cautious, but everyone else had folded. I decided to call. PP no longer shows the hands when both parties go allin. The flop came rags, then more rags. He shows 33 and he had picked up a set on the flop. I had Ace high and was now down to T1300. I battle back up to T1800 when the blinds get up to 100-200 and we are four handed. The player two to my right was the chip leader and really started messing with me. If I tried to raise his BB he reraised allin. Whenever I had the BB he was on the button and he raised allin if passed to him (the table was getting tight and he was getting free reign to do this). So after getting blinded down to T800 and the blinds escalating to 150-300 this hand comes up: I get Qd9d in the big blind and of course he raises. But he doesn't raise all in this time. Hmmm. He was at T3000. I had folded a bunch in a row so was he trying to get me to call? The bet was for 500. Obviously if I call I am pot committed so I decide that he has a weak hand and is worried about getting called allin. So I call (big mistake - if my read was that he was afraid of getting called allin, I should have raised allin). Anyway, the flop comes 89T rainbow. I think this is a good flop for me and figure I am pot committed anyway and go allin. He shows J6os. Turn is a 2. River is a Q giving me 2 pair but completing his straight. 1. Should I have folded the AK earlier to preserve my stack? 2. I am sure I should have reraised allin instead of just calling in the second instance (although the hand was pretty much a coin flip and he might have called me). Criticize away. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), shorn, 18. Sep 2003 08:22 | ||
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| I think calling the all-in with AKs is a good play. Likely, you are at worst a 52/48 dog to anyone with a pair other than AA or KK, so to bust him out (given that he had gone all-in all thoise times in a row) I thinbk was the right move. I agree that if you were going to play that last pot, you should have pushed all-in pre-flop. I am surprised that he called you with his gutter on the flop, but he probably would have layed it down pre-flop if you came over him. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), mroban, 18. Sep 2003 08:50 | ||
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| thanks Steve. I like the AKs call too b/c I wasn't going to bust out of the game if I lost and winning the hand would have put me in great chip position with 4 to go. Winning that hand would have made it much more difficult for that other player to start messing with me the way he did too. So it was worth the gamble even though it didn't work out. Kicking myself for not coming back allin in the second hand. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), Roy Cooke, 18. Sep 2003 09:10 | ||
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| I agree with Shorn....As I do most of the time! Roy Cooke on 18. Sep 2003 08:22 shorn wrote: > I think calling the all-in with AKs is a good play. Likely, you are at worst a 52/48 > dog to anyone with a pair other than AA or KK, so to bust him out (given that he had > gone all-in all thoise times in a row) I thinbk was the right move. > > I agree that if you were going to play that last pot, you should have pushed all-in > pre-flop. I am surprised that he called you with his gutter on the flop, but he > probably would have layed it down pre-flop if you came over him. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), mroban, 18. Sep 2003 09:19 | ||
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| I realize in writing this that I didn't go allin because i) if I didn't hit the flop, I still would have had T400 in chips - enough to wait another 3 or 4 hands for another playable hand to go allin with; ii) with the intention to go allin if I hit the flop. If he didn't hit his out it would have worked out. But, I agree with both of you that it is better to go allin here because the hand is a coin flip anyway and by going allin, at least I have a chance that he will fold. That chance increases my odds of winning the hand in my favor, rather than just playing the coin flip. Is it surprising that he clled the allin on the flop with a straight draw? I probably would have laid that down myself in that spot (as the chip leader four handed) but I guess he had a shot to bust me out and get into the money (which he did). | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), Risky Business, 18. Sep 2003 09:21 | ||
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| Bluntly, All that previous raising that he did worked perfectly. You had him at the exact time that he needed you NOT to re-raise, and you didn't. Granted, he got lucky when the Q came, but this dictates why some people play that way. He's probably lost a lot doing that, but it worked this time. on 18. Sep 2003 08:15 mroban wrote: > Party Poker $30 NL Sit and Go last night. I was the chip leader through much of > the game after an early double up and some other smaller pots. was up to T2600 > early and sat back watching other players bust out until it got down to 5 > players. > > The blinds escalate really quickly at PP and suddenly we were at 50-100. A > player that was getting desperate at T900 had gone allin a few times in a row > and got away with it. The third time, I was in the BB with AKs and he went > allin. I could have easily folded here to be cautious, but everyone else had > folded. I decided to call. > > PP no longer shows the hands when both parties go allin. The flop came rags, > then more rags. He shows 33 and he had picked up a set on the flop. I had Ace > high and was now down to T1300. > > I battle back up to T1800 when the blinds get up to 100-200 and we are four > handed. The player two to my right was the chip leader and really started > messing with me. If I tried to raise his BB he reraised allin. Whenever I had > the BB he was on the button and he raised allin if passed to him (the table was > getting tight and he was getting free reign to do this). > > So after getting blinded down to T800 and the blinds escalating to 150-300 this > hand comes up: > > I get Qd9d in the big blind and of course he raises. But he doesn't raise all > in this time. Hmmm. He was at T3000. I had folded a bunch in a row so was he > trying to get me to call? The bet was for 500. Obviously if I call I am pot > committed so I decide that he has a weak hand and is worried about getting > called allin. > > So I call (big mistake - if my read was that he was afraid of getting called > allin, I should have raised allin). Anyway, the flop comes 89T rainbow. I > think this is a good flop for me and figure I am pot committed anyway and go > allin. > > He shows J6os. Turn is a 2. River is a Q giving me 2 pair but completing his > straight. > > 1. Should I have folded the AK earlier to preserve my stack? > 2. I am sure I should have reraised allin instead of just calling in the > second instance (although the hand was pretty much a coin flip and he might have > called me). > > Criticize away. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), mroban, 18. Sep 2003 09:59 | ||
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| So you are basically saying that I had him exactly where I wanted him and blew it. I can handle that. Damn. All a good learning experience. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), Risky Business, 18. Sep 2003 11:21 | ||
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| Look at it this way (positive slant) 1. You may recognize it next time it's happening to you. 2. You can consider it for your own arsenal, as you see how well it worked on you. on 18. Sep 2003 09:59 mroban wrote: > So you are basically saying that I had him exactly where I wanted him and blew it. > > I can handle that. Damn. > > All a good learning experience. | ||
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| Re: Did I blow it? Or was this the right play(s), mroban, 18. Sep 2003 12:07 | ||
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| I usually play that way when I get down into the final 3 but find that at 4 players, waiting until one of the busts out is prudent and more profitable. Of course, when the table gets tight, thats a great spot to pick up blinds and make those kind of moves. Thanks. | ||
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