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 Starting out at Omaha 8, chasepoker, 17. Sep 2003 18:54 | ||
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| After reading all the posts on here about the apparent abundance of poor O8 players online i decided to dip my toe in the water and play a little tonight and i like what i found. First of all let me tell you that i started playing hold em seriously about 4 years ago and have ever since immersed myself in learning about the game through hours of play in casinos and on line, what seems like even more hours of reading and thinking about the game and obviously, to those of you who have been reading here for a bit, many posts on UPF ! I now can go into most games fairly confident that i can hold my own and have showed a tidy profit in the past year, although i realise that the learning never stops i poker. Coming back to O8 as i said above i decided to play a bit of pot limit tonight only buying for $25, as i dont really have much of a clue about the game, and i turned that into about $150 in about 3 hours. It was then i suddenly had this revelation that i could and should try to learn, in effect, a new poker game. At the moment my game is very basic and all i did was to wait for what i thought were good starting hands and play them. I folded all other hands in any position and ( whether correctly or not) not even calling on the small blind with 4 or 5 limpers in the pot and never calling a raise with any hand that did not have all 4 cards working and especially not if the hand did not contain a reasonable shot at the low end. I realise that this way of playing will not be good enough to win consistently against good players but hey it worked for me tonight ! The point of my post, however, is not to bore you with how i got lucky and won a few pots tonight but to ask a few basic questions to help me start my new O8 learning. My first question is what good books are there for this game ? I really have no idea and would appreciate some comments on books that will help a complete beginner pick up some solid playing tactics. Next question is the nature of O8 one that if you are playing with a table where 3 or 4 people have never played the game the way to take down the money is to just play solid starting hands. It appears to me that there is a massive difference between Hold Em and O8 in that in hold em you can play a few ' marginal ' hands, as long as you play ok on the flop, but in O8 if you play with poo before the flop you are going to get your hands dirty, is this correct ? Position in O8 is next, how much does position count for in this game ? It seems to me that whilst important it is less imoprtant than at Hold Em as O8 seems to be a ' best hand at showdown ' game a lot more than Hold em where position alone can help you win pots. The value of having a low hand to me seems very important to me is this correct ? In my brief spell at the game tonight i hardly ever ( in fact i think never ! ) entered a raised pot without a potential low hand as i kept seeing time after time people raising with ' big cards ' and losing half the pot to someone who had junk but junk with a low in it to take half the pot, are there any hands that should be played in a raised pot that dont have a chance at the low end ? Moving on am i correct in thinking that at a full table you have to be pretty certain that you are going to have the nut hand at showdown a VERY high percentage of the time ? I kept seeing people tonight losing with A2346 against a A2345 or showing a K high flush only to see someone with the A high flush. Also on the flop, i have read here that ,if you are going to stick your money in you should only do so with not only the nut hand but the potential to improve even further to what could be an even better nut hand ( ie have top set on the flop with the redraw at the nut flush / nut low ) ? Finally ( well finally for this post as i have about 10 million other questions about the game !!! ) could anyone evaluate these starting hands for me ( if necessary if they can be played ever / called for no raise / played against a raise / prefer multi way action vs heads up ) Ac2c9d9h 2c3dKdkh 4c5c6d7s 3s3c7d7h AcKdQhJd Ac2c6dTh Ac2cAd3d ( multi or heads up ? ) AcJcKc4d AcAh9dTd Sorry for the massive post i am just keen ! Cheers Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, Mark, 17. Sep 2003 19:24 | ||
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| Hi chase I can't answer many of your questions, because i don't play much O8. But what i do know is that it can be a very profitable game, but for it be profitable "it is as boring as watching paint dry" ( a quote from a pro). I've only played low limt O8, but i've found in general, you want to be drawing to the nuts. Too many players like the game because they think they can play every hand. As for starting hands, i made a similar post here about a year ago, and someone directed me to a website hosted by a doctor (i think). He has a point count system for starting hands that i found very helpful to start with. Mark > After reading all the posts on here about the apparent abundance of poor O8 > players online i decided to dip my toe in the water and play a little tonight > and i like what i found. > > First of all let me tell you that i started playing hold em seriously about 4 > years ago and have ever since immersed myself in learning about the game through > hours of play in casinos and on line, what seems like even more hours of reading > and thinking about the game and obviously, to those of you who have been reading > here for a bit, many posts on UPF ! I now can go into most games fairly > confident that i can hold my own and have showed a tidy profit in the past year, > although i realise that the learning never stops i poker. > > Coming back to O8 as i said above i decided to play a bit of pot limit tonight > only buying for $25, as i dont really have much of a clue about the game, and i > turned that into about $150 in about 3 hours. It was then i suddenly had this > revelation that i could and should try to learn, in effect, a new poker game. > > At the moment my game is very basic and all i did was to wait for what i > thought were good starting hands and play them. I folded all other hands in any > position and ( whether correctly or not) not even calling on the small blind > with 4 or 5 limpers in the pot and never calling a raise with any hand that did > not have all 4 cards working and especially not if the hand did not contain a > reasonable shot at the low end. I realise that this way of playing will not be > good enough to win consistently against good players but hey it worked for me > tonight ! > > The point of my post, however, is not to bore you with how i got lucky and won > a few pots tonight but to ask a few basic questions to help me start my new O8 > learning. > > My first question is what good books are there for this game ? I really have no > idea and would appreciate some comments on books that will help a complete > beginner pick up some solid playing tactics. > > Next question is the nature of O8 one that if you are playing with a table > where 3 or 4 people have never played the game the way to take down the money is > to just play solid starting hands. It appears to me that there is a massive > difference between Hold Em and O8 in that in hold em you can play a few ' > marginal ' hands, as long as you play ok on the flop, but in O8 if you play with > poo before the flop you are going to get your hands dirty, is this correct ? > > Position in O8 is next, how much does position count for in this game ? It > seems to me that whilst important it is less imoprtant than at Hold Em as O8 > seems to be a ' best hand at showdown ' game a lot more than Hold em where > position alone can help you win pots. > > The value of having a low hand to me seems very important to me is this correct > ? In my brief spell at the game tonight i hardly ever ( in fact i think never ! > ) entered a raised pot without a potential low hand as i kept seeing time after > time people raising with ' big cards ' and losing half the pot to someone who > had junk but junk with a low in it to take half the pot, are there any hands > that should be played in a raised pot that dont have a chance at the low end ? > > > Moving on am i correct in thinking that at a full table you have to be pretty > certain that you are going to have the nut hand at showdown a VERY high > percentage of the time ? I kept seeing people tonight losing with A2346 against > a A2345 or showing a K high flush only to see someone with the A high flush. > Also on the flop, i have read here that ,if you are going to stick your money in > you should only do so with not only the nut hand but the potential to improve > even further to what could be an even better nut hand ( ie have top set on the > flop with the redraw at the nut flush / nut low ) ? > > Finally ( well finally for this post as i have about 10 million other questions > about the game !!! ) could anyone evaluate these starting hands for me ( if > necessary if they can be played ever / called for no raise / played against a > raise / prefer multi way action vs heads up ) > > Ac2c9d9h > > 2c3dKdkh > > 4c5c6d7s > > 3s3c7d7h > > AcKdQhJd > > Ac2c6dTh > > Ac2cAd3d ( multi or heads up ? ) > > AcJcKc4d > > AcAh9dTd > > Sorry for the massive post i am just keen ! > > Cheers > Chasepoker > > | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, johnny, 18. Sep 2003 07:42 | ||
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| Here's a link to the Hutchinson's Omaha H/L and Omaha starting hands point system. http://ehutchison.homestead.com/OmahaSystem.html Seems to be a little tight, but a good place for a beginner to start. I'd like to here what 4POKER thinks of it. Thanks, Johnny. | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, 4 POKER, 18. Sep 2003 08:13 | ||
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| on 18. Sep 2003 07:42 johnny wrote: > Here's a link to the Hutchinson's Omaha H/L and Omaha starting hands point system. > http://ehutchison.homestead.com/OmahaSystem.html > > Seems to be a little tight, but a good place for a beginner to start. > I'd like to here what 4POKER thinks of it. > > Thanks, > Johnny. Hey johnny, "I like it"! It may seem to be a little tight, but actually it's a very good chart to follow. I would suggest, however, if you're interested in this game, to get a couple of books that cover some of the 'play out of hands', the strategic moves, trap hands, "why" their trap hands....etc.,etc.. Ray Zee has a good book, and there's another one, I think it's called, Omaha high-low for the beginner. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, 4 POKER, 17. Sep 2003 20:04 | ||
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| Hi Chase, My comments are beneath your Q's. on 17. Sep 2003 18:54 chasepoker wrote: > After reading all the posts on here about the apparent abundance of poor O8 > players online i decided to dip my toe in the water and play a little tonight > and i like what i found. > > First of all let me tell you that i started playing hold em seriously about 4 > years ago and have ever since immersed myself in learning about the game through > hours of play in casinos and on line, what seems like even more hours of reading > and thinking about the game and obviously, to those of you who have been reading > here for a bit, many posts on UPF ! I now can go into most games fairly > confident that i can hold my own and have showed a tidy profit in the past year, > although i realise that the learning never stops i poker. > > Coming back to O8 as i said above i decided to play a bit of pot limit tonight > only buying for $25, as i dont really have much of a clue about the game, and i > turned that into about $150 in about 3 hours. It was then i suddenly had this > revelation that i could and should try to learn, in effect, a new poker game. > > At the moment my game is very basic and all i did was to wait for what i > thought were good starting hands and play them. I folded all other hands in any > position and ( whether correctly or not) not even calling on the small blind > with 4 or 5 limpers in the pot and never calling a raise with any hand that did > not have all 4 cards working and especially not if the hand did not contain a > reasonable shot at the low end. I realise that this way of playing will not be > good enough to win consistently against good players but hey it worked for me > tonight ! > > The point of my post, however, is not to bore you with how i got lucky and won > a few pots tonight but to ask a few basic questions to help me start my new O8 > learning. > > My first question is what good books are there for this game ? I really have no > idea and would appreciate some comments on books that will help a complete > beginner pick up some solid playing tactics. 4P- If you're strictly referring to just PLO8 than I'm not really sure. However, I got quite a bit out of Ray Zee's book "High-low split poker for advanced players", that coverd a good deal on the game of Omaha high-low in general. > > Next question is the nature of O8 one that if you are playing with a table > where 3 or 4 people have never played the game the way to take down the money is > to just play solid starting hands. It appears to me that there is a massive > difference between Hold Em and O8 in that in hold em you can play a few ' > marginal ' hands, as long as you play ok on the flop, but in O8 if you play with > poo before the flop you are going to get your hands dirty, is this correct ? 4P- When you play hands that are really strong to start out with, in the long run, those hands will be your true money-makers. Yes, this game is about showing down the nuts way more than hold-em; it's not even close due to the 4 card factor/with multiple combinations, but, strategic moves are made in this game, but I wouldn't concern myself with that at this time. The Key to Omaha, is playing strong starters, and *releasing* the hand on the flop unless it fits your hand perfectly. The more experience you get and the more you're able to grasp, then the easier it will become to make those laydowns when you flop something good, but not good enough to continue. You'll *know* when the flop doesn't favor you, and THAT is what will be a very big factor on your reslults at the end of the year, two years...what have you. The long run. Now......The "trap type" starting hands and the ones that have very little chance to improve will have very negative results the majority of the time. That's why it's important when all of your cards work well together, or at least three really strong cards do, because, the more of the spectrum that you can cover with your holding, the more outs you'll have to hit, and improve to. . > > Position in O8 is next, how much does position count for in this game ? It > seems to me that whilst important it is less imoprtant than at Hold Em as O8 > seems to be a ' best hand at showdown ' game a lot more than Hold em where > position alone can help you win pots. 4P- Position IS important in Omaha 8, but not as important as it is in hold-em. Again...the more experience you have in this game, the more you'll be using your position against certain opponents and/or with certain types of hands.I tend to make strategic plays by using my position to do so. It's really a "feel thing" for me, and one that just comes by having a good understanding of all the little nuances of the game. > > The value of having a low hand to me seems very important to me is this correct > ? In my brief spell at the game tonight i hardly ever ( in fact i think never ! > ) entered a raised pot without a potential low hand as i kept seeing time after > time people raising with ' big cards ' and losing half the pot to someone who > had junk but junk with a low in it to take half the pot, are there any hands > that should be played in a raised pot that dont have a chance at the low end ? > 4P- "Yes". There are high hands that can be played for a raise or a raise that you might even put in yourself. Your position will be a big factor when you *do* put in a value raise with just a high hand. Example: many players limp in and you're OTB with A-K-Q-10 double suited, Ace and King. Although the hand has no low possibilty, it's a good hand when played in the right position, against several opponents if the flop*does* hit strong for you; as it should be a very easy hand to 'get away' from as well when it doesn't flop the way you would have liked it to. If you flop good (and you'll know it), you'd be getting in a lot of extra money in *before* the flop as with such a high flop, many players won't even be able to call here and that's why it's a good value raise to make *before* the flop comes up. I personally love the high AND low combinational hands, but strong high hands like the one I mentioned can also be played. Hands like QQ,10-9, and K-K, 8-4 are generally CRAP for Omaha 8, so try not to see them as being anything more than what they really are. Let the other players play those hands (and especially out of position), and see how well they do on average! > > Moving on am i correct in thinking that at a full table you have to be pretty > certain that you have to have the nut hands at showdown a VERY high percentage > of the time ? I kept seeing people tonight losing with A2346 against a A2345 or > showing a K high flush only to see someone with the A high flush. Also on the > flop, i have read here that ,if you are going to stick your money in you should > only do so with not only the nut hand but the potential to improve even further > to what could be an even better nut hand ( ie have top set on the flop with the > redraw at the nut flush / nut low ) ? 4P- The more players contesting for the pot, the more likely you will see them showing the nuts.....on both sides! If you're involved in a hand, then make sure you have at least one nut holding, and depending on how much "heat" you have to take with it......the more important it's going to be for you're holding to have backup. Redraw......straight draw, a draw to the nut flush/with the nut low hand.....an uncounterfeitable low hand in case you DO get bricked on the turn, river.....etc.etc. (you know the drill)! And depending on how costly the hand may turn out to be for you, the more back-up you're going to need, and multi way pots are crucial for holding nut hands with redraws. like I said, the nuts will be there when there's more players in the hand with you. Heads up play allows for a little less strength, but it's still important. The thing about a heads up situation is.....you may not see the nuts every single time in both directions. But in multi-way, you will. (or should I say.....you *should*,lol). That will depend on the caliber of players, too. > > Finally ( well finally for this post as i have about 10 million other questions > about the game !!! ) could anyone evaluate these starting hands for me ( if > necessary if they can be played ever / called for no raise / played against a > raise / prefer multi way action vs heads up ) > > Ac2c9d9h .......Decent starting hand. Your Ace/deuce 'is' suited; and that's always a plus, but I wouldn't invest too much money preflop with this holding, as it's just not strong enough to call multiple bets with in PLO But.... it IS playable, and you could raise with it yourself if given a good position to do so after players have folded before the action gets to you and you are in LP. I would call a bet though, but I would limp in with it and see if I could get to the flop cheaply if I'm in EP, or MP. > 2c3dKdkh .......Good stealing hand in LP to steal the blinds with, and a good enough hand to put in an extra 'small' bet with from the SB. It is a 'playable' hand, just more from the later positions....again, for a cheap price, and with proper information first, before you committ your chips with it. > > 4c5c6d7s........Crappy, trappy rags!.......Next! It has very little scoop possibilities, and even if/when you DO flop a low straight, unless you flop a wheel; this hand will be drawn out on so many times by players completing higher straights, and flushes, while *already* holding nut lows to go with it. It can turn out to be a very costly hand due to those factors. > > 3s3c7d7h........More Crap......this ones *really" bad. I wouldn't put in 2 cents with this holding! (but I know these are just examples here, and this is not the type of hands that you would chose to play). > > AcKdQhJd........Pretty decent hand in LP,(for a cheap price), but I don't like that the Ace is not suited here. It really weakens the strength of its high holding potential, as it takes away to improving to an even better hand when you DO flop the nut straight or have a good draw to one. These high hands should be suited, or the value of playing them decreases a lot. > Ac2c6dTh.....Good Limp hand from EP, MP, and LP. A good enough hand to steal the blinds with. It's Good enough to call a raise preflop as well. (but in PL......just proceed cautiously preflop when out of position). > > Ac2cAd3d ( multi or heads up ? ).....Now we're talkin'! Primo starting hand. All four cards working well. BOTH Aces are suited. Raise! It plays well heads up or multi-way. > > AcJcKc4d.......I don't like it from an EP, or MP, as it's a bit 'rough' (A-4) , but it's "ok" in LP for a cheap price.The Ace is suited and the K and the J are good cards.....I just don't like the 4 there and that's why I wouldn't be too thrilled about playing it from those positions. And I don't like that your suited Ace is duplicated with another flush card as well; (example, A-J-K, of clubs). It is however, another good enough hand to steal the blinds with though, and good enough to throw in the extra bet from the SB too. > > AcAh9dTd.......I don't like it. The Aces aren't suited. The nine is a almost useless, except that it can connect to a straight by using the ten. No low draw either. I would try to steal the blinds with it and then proceed with caution, and I "may" limp in with it, but in general......I really don't like this holding. It will play better in a heads-up situation, but in multi-way pots......it will not fair as well. Not enough outs to draw to.( It would be better if the nine was a J,Q, or a K, when referring to high cards with two Aces). I want to add one of my own hands, Chasepoker. (like this needs to be any longer, lol!)........anyway, it's: A-2-3-*K*, Q-J-or10, suited. This is one of my favorite starters, because, not only does it contain 3 cards to the low side.... when the Ace is 'also' connected to the higher side of the spectrum,(K-Q-J-10), you'll have 'outs' to completing the nut high straights as well. This hand, A-2-3-(K), will "hit" you a good percentage of the time due to the fact that there will be so many cards (in different combinations) that will come up on the flop, that will *favor* this type of flexible holding. It plays good multi-way, and it plays well in a heads-up situation too. Hope this helped. ..... "Welcome to Omaha Chase"! You should be a "natural" at this.....especially pot limit! Some of the best PL players I have encountered were from your neck of the woods! Just be patient and wait for the really good hands to come your way. Discipline *preflop* is Key and so, so important. When you discover what starting hands "really" favor you in this game, and ones that will be the most profitable in the long run, then you'll show really nice results. Good luck to you. 4 POKER > > Sorry for the massive post i am just keen ! > Cheers > Chasepoker > > | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, Jav, 18. Sep 2003 10:59 | ||
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| Wow, that was a great post 4Poker. Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts. I think figuring out what "4 cards that work well together" really means is one of the tougher things for hold'em players to figure out when they are trying to learn Omaha (at least it was/is for me). | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, 4 POKER, 18. Sep 2003 11:08 | ||
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| on 18. Sep 2003 10:59 Jav wrote: > Wow, that was a great post 4Poker. Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts. > I think figuring out what "4 cards that work well together" really means is one of the > tougher things for hold'em players to figure out when they are trying to learn Omaha (at > least it was/is for me). Hey Jav, Yeah, and when I first started to play the game, I was primarily a 7 card stud player; I would think that 2 pair on the river was a pretty good hand...."hey, it WAS Aces up after all"! (lol). Man, did I get my arse handed to me in the beginning! But like anything else.....if you play it long enough, and you develop a good understanding for the game.....you can do well there as well:) 4P- | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, pt_Gatsby, 18. Sep 2003 10:42 | ||
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| I would have to agree with you about Omaha, money making wise, but I thought I could share my learning expierences, since they are still going on... The game, especially PL, is highly volatile - meaning variance. You don't really realise this at first because you are 'capping' your losses to what you bring to the table or cleaning the board up. However, when you are up 250$ and then manage to throw a great deal back with the exact same strategies you were using before, it sorta hurts. Thats not to say that the edge isn't huge - it is! But sometimes that flop just won't hit you no matter what you try playing with. Only once have I been dealt the best starting hand possible (at the 002/004 table, no less, when I was teaching a friend). I didn't even watch the game (was in a 1/2 at the same time, I think) - just kept hitting the call button... But I lost high and low. There are no made hands in O8, unlike AA which can often win on its own. On that note, one thing that helped me learn O8 was playing in the large tournaments... I'm not sure where you are playing, but I found PS' to have some very good players (if you make it to the top 25%, anyway). I learned more from playing those few hundred hands than many many hours at the ring tables. It forces you to play increasingly bad hands - but it also teaches you how to look at the cards in a different way. There are just too many opening hands to even begin to cover them all properly - never mind flop play. Patience is definately key though, something I had taught to me the hard way. Or, still learning, I suppose! But.. well, its hard to remain calm when... In one of my hands, I though I had an uncounterfeitable low and the low straight... (A23 with 456 on the board). Hard to beat that... except the hand went on to go 3, then 2 of the same suit as the 6 - giving me 1/8 of the pot (yes... imagine that... there were other people with A + 2/3/4/5) and none of the high. I think, to date, that was the single largest loss I have sustained - with a fully premium hand and one of the best flops possible. When 4poker says to watch out for trap hands, he's probably giving the most important advice for starting players - the most important part of this is not to play premium hands that turn into (counterfeited...) trap hands. Hands that are not made are highly discounted in PL - even more importantly, any hand that is a drawing hand should be drawing extremely strongly to a very weak board (ie: Nut flush with low potential with a non-coordinated board). You don't really want to be playing Nut flushes when strong pairs are on the board (KK2 is my vote for the most dangerous flop I have expierenced, with my A3 being suited with K2). It only takes one time to have someone show you AK23 with that board to swear this game off for life. I guess my main advice is something I did wrong - once you are comfortable with the game, you tend to try to get clever. It doesn't work... It just doesn't. Holdem players have to give up a lot of their 'playing opponents' and focus on the cards. Actually, another slightly useless story - I was teaching a friend just the basics (he is an avid holdem player) in a tournament - some 580 people, so I figured good exposure to the game. I was watching him play and while I asked him 'what the hell are you doing that for?" a number of times (playing the opponents), he did keep winning. Until about 250 players. After a little while, he was about to throw his chips in (on tilt, but severly shortstacked) and I told him to try to just play the cards... fold everything that was bad or raised and moderate. Go all in only after the flop matched. He ended up 11th - and I ended up 19th. My two most critical losses were based on - you guessed it - believing they just couldn't have that exact hand. The moral being that playing the cards will make you lots of money. Releasing hands will make you money. Every loss I have sustained has been caused by not following that advice. If you EVER say "Oh, he doesn't have it"... Its time to go to sleep. Murphy loves to play this game - they always have the exact cards needed to beat your hand. | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, SmellsLikeVictory, 18. Sep 2003 15:05 | ||
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| Get Ray Zee's Hi/Lo Split book. It's a must if you're seriously going to take up O8. You should be playing even fewer hands than you do in HE. Yeah, you want to be drawing to the nuts for the most part. Play hands with scoop potential. Especially in PLO8. Position is important in O8 as any poker game, but it's absolutely critical in PLO8. I play very, very few hands up front in PLO8 and often won't continue unless I'm drawing to the nut/nut. Actually, from any position in PLO8 you should be drawing to the nut/nut. This is a game of home runs, not scattering singles. When evaluating a hand once the flop comes you should include an "And". Like "I have the nut low AND a draw to the nut flush". You want to scoop a monster pot on the river and steal little ones on the flop. Don't be putting all your chips in with just the nut low, you're just asking to get quartered. Getting quartered is a mistake in limit O8, but it's deadly in PLO8. Your hands: Ac2c9d9h - any A2 suited is usually playable, at least for a limp. Careful when you flop a 9 set. They're easily catchable in this game. 2c3dKdkh - from LP I'd play this after a bunch of limpers, but not for a a raise. I don't like to play this up front. No A or K on the flop, you're done. 4c5c6d7s - junk, toss it. Middle straight cards are death. A board with 89T and you're on the ignorant end of someone with QJxx. A flop of 736 and you're likely spliting with a low at best. 3s3c7d7h - garbage. You're looking at a small set and they don't hold up very well in this game. AcKdQhJd - ok from middle/late position after limpers. Play on when the flop is big cards and no possible low. Better if the A was suited. Ac2c6dTh - any A2s is playable for a limp, IMHO, but be careful of getting quartered if you get low but no flush draw. Ac2cAd3d ( multi or heads up ? ) - a monster hand. Raise this up. Double suited, can flop top set, low with counterfiet protection. Big scoop potential here. This and As2s3h4h are the best starting hands you can get. AcJcKc4d - very marginal. Limp from LP after a host limps and pray for big cards and no low draw. AcAh9dTd - Try to avoid hands that have no low draw like this one. Not even a flush draw here. Really only looking at top set. Toss it. | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, chasepoker, 18. Sep 2003 18:19 | ||
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| Thanks everyone for all the responses some really useful stuff in there i think ! I have loads of questions but i think i will start a new post for them this one is getting a bit big. Cheers all i am now going to spend weeks banging on about this game ! Once again thanks for all the info and i owe 4P another beer for his great post, man i think we all here at UPF owe him a brewery or 2... Cheers Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, 4 POKER, 18. Sep 2003 23:55 | ||
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| Thank you Chase, but I wanted to clarify something I wrote about position. I had stated that position IS important in Omaha 8 but not as important as it is in hold-em. When I wrote that, I should have said that I was referring to "Limit Omaha 8", because in PLO8, it's *crucial* due to the non-fixed betting rounds; you'd have to be very careful and aware that you don't get caught in the middle somewhere with bigger pot sides bets behind you, etc.,etc., unless your own holding is strong enough to withstand bigger bets, etc., etc.. I'm sure you (everyone) knows that already, but I wanted to make sure that my statement was not misleading in any way. (too much limit poker on the brain, I suppose...sigh)! After reading SmellsLikeVictory's post, I realized that I needed to clarify that part of my post. (position). His comment on position for PLO8 is 100% correct. 4 POKER P.s. Thanks for the beer chasepoker! | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, 4 POKER, 19. Sep 2003 03:23 | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, Schuster, 18. Sep 2003 22:19 | ||
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| After my short experience as a hold'em player converted to O8, I've learned that if the flop hits me so hard that I'd shit my pants in hold'em, then it's a decent flop for O8. At least, that's been my rule of thumb so far. =) Lee | ||
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| Re: Starting out at Omaha 8, kennycatkiller, 19. Sep 2003 10:04 | ||
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| Try reading Shane Smith's spiral-bound, soft-cover treatise "Omaha Hi-Lo Poker." In it, Smith addresses most of the specific questions you asked. However, be aware of the tremendous difference in limit Omaha/8 and pot-limit Omaha/8. | ||
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