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 MOVING FROM 2-4 TO 3-6 OR 5-10 ETC, MrTeLLnj, 17. Sep 2003 17:11 | ||
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| Ok im 21..have been playing poker for about a year or 2 at home with friends and at randome poker gettogethers, online and about 2times a month ill go to Atlantic city to play low limit holdem(2-4). I do well , loose some win some,but i feel like i am making nothing for the 4-8 hours at the table. I want to move up to 3-6 or maybe 5-10( ooorrrr maybe just maybe 10 -20 but i dont know about that). I usualy sit down at a 2-4 table with 80$to 100$ bucks What would it take $$$$ wize to play above 2-4, skill wize witch i have some, do people fold more, what if im scared to play 5-10 because of loosing maybe 100 bucks in one hand. I hear it is easier to play mid-limit than a 2-4 game. CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANY EXPERIENCES WITH THIS SITUATION OR SHOULD I STAY WITH 2-4... Ps.......would entering mini 1 table tournaments ( 30- 60 $ buy ins) be worth it. Seem like the profit if winning is prity good. | ||
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| Re: MOVING FROM 2-4 TO 3-6 OR 5-10 ETC, Mark, 17. Sep 2003 18:04 | ||
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| Hi As you move up in limits, the games to tend to play differently, but are not "easier" to play. While you will see less bad beats the higher the limit, because fewer people will be drawing to garbage hands, you will still see many of them. But when you move up you will also have to deal with players out playing you. Don't think that you will beat the $10-20 game if you can't beat up the $2-4 tables. If you're not a clear winner in the $2-4 games its probably because you are not adjusting to the players enough. You need to play pretty tight and NOT push marginal hands. You should be folding alot on the flop. You want to be patient and wait for a hand that is clearly a favorite then build a huge pot. There is no need for deception or fancy plays ever at the $2-4 tables. While you might be the best player at the $2-4 table, having the most knowledge and understanding many concepts the others don't, if you're not beating the game, you are not adjusting correctly. You may want to try moving up to $3-6 or $5-10, but don't expect a huge difference in your opponents play. You will probably see alot of the same players from the $2-4 games. Many players/literature advocate playing alot of hands in the low limit games due to the implied pot odds. While this is generally correct, you don't want to go beyond the flop unless you have a very good hand that is likely to be the best (or turn into the best). (for example, don't chase str8s agaisnt two flush flops, etc) Many of the people who post here either have gone or are going through what you are going through. You're frustrated with all the bad beats and bad players who are winning at your game. That is natural, but when you evolve a little more as a player and start beating that game, you will see how bad your opponents play. Eventually you will like seeing their faces because you know they will play bad and will get their money. It is a good idea to take a shot at the higher levels to see what its like, but you should move up in limits when it makes sense financially. When you know you will make more at the next limit, that is a good time to permanantely move up. Don't give up. Where you're at now is the "hump" between beginers and winners. When you read enough, play enough, and think enough about the game, you will start to understand how to win at the low limts. Its not easy, but few players really take the time to learn. After two years of really studying, I "think" i'm past that hump (consistantly winning and full of confidence). But someone pointed out yesterday that i'm at another "hump". Mark | ||
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| Re: MOVING FROM 2-4 TO 3-6 OR 5-10 ETC, 4 POKER, 17. Sep 2003 18:11 | ||
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| Hi MrTeLLnj, There are a few things that are very important before you consider moving up in limits. The first thing is your bankroll, and how would you feel mentally if you lost it all in one or two sessions at a $5-10 game or even a $3-6 game. I don't know what your bankroll is (nor do I care to know), and I don't know if you have a good steady income that can support your poker playing 'and' your life's expenses, (nor.....), but those things are very important. (Just something you really need to think about). The second thing is, your actual skill level. Okay, you're doing pretty good at the $2-4 games, win some, lose some. But you feel like you're not making enough after 4-8 hours of play, correct? Let me ask you a question. How much would you like to make, and how much do you 'think' you should be making at that limit? If you're averaging around $40 (give or take a few) a session of 4 to 8 hours of play, then you're probably doing really well. When you play low limit poker, you make low limit earnings, and while they may not 'seem' to be good wins...actually, they are. My figure of $40 a session might even be a little too high. If I played at a $2-4 game and won 40 or 50 bucks, I'd be very happy with that. Keep in mind MrTe, for every time you move up in limits, the skill level of your opponents is going to get tougher and tougher. Grant it, you will find bad players in all the limits, but in general....the higher up you go, the more experienced and skillful you yourself are going to have to be, too. It is not easier to beat higher limits either. It may 'appear' that way because you don't have eight players chasing you all the way down on every hand.....but there are so many other factors that are very important to grasp and use correctly at the higher limits. You must have those abilities to stand a chance at beating those limits. too. And I'm sure you will, but it's going to take a lot of experience at that limit to test if you actually do. There may not be that much of a difference between the $2-4 players' skill level and the $3-6 players' skill level....but there will be subtle differences, and they increase as you move up in limits. The more strategic moves will be prominant here, and getting really good reads over your opponents will be a "must' when you play higher, too. So how will you know if you're ready to 'be" at that next limit if you don't try it, right? Well if you have kept track of your previous sessions, and have logged in a good enough of hours that would 'suggest' that moving up would be a correct step; and your BR can withstand a higher limit , then give it a go, but move up slowly. There's no rush. Remember though.......you can't play scared or play with scared money either, or you won't do well. That's the 3rd thing....... Confidence!......You MUST have the confidence to play with these new folks and you have to really feel comfortable putting in bigger bets now, and you're still going to have to make some 'plays' (ones that are sound-minded of course) by not allowing the $$ amount to keep you from doing so. If you play scared, then the players will know it, and you'll become a target. You don't want that.....ever. That's why it's so important to play against the weaker players because those are the players that you'll be earning most of your money from. And whether that be in a $2-4 game, or a $10-20 game....just make sure that you are one of the best/better players in that game, every single time, or you're going to be outclassed by the better ones and outplayed because of it. It's called game selection, and it's a very important part of poker to earn money and to keep earning money. These are just some factors that you should think about and I'm not implying in any way that you aren't confident, comfortable, etc.etc.......I'm saying that you *must* be, that's all. Have patience, protect your bankroll, be disciplined with *every* decision you make, and play at a limit where all of "your" skills/edges will be affective; at whatever limit that may be. Think about the big picture, and allow yourself to be a part of that. Poker is a never-ending learning experience. Good luck. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: MOVING FROM 2-4 TO 3-6 OR 5-10 ETC, bruh, 20. Sep 2003 00:23 | ||
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| MrTeLLnj, Just wanted to give you my 2 cents because I'm sorta in the process of the same decisions and I can give you my observations, which may or may not help. I completely agree with what the other two posters have said and the provide some great points. To echo what Mark said, you aren't going to find a big difference between the 2-4 to 5-10 tables, depending on where you play. From my experience, the levels of play don't change too much (by levels, I mean the "bad" play) until the 8/16 levels and above. One of the biggest problems you will run into at the lower levels is that raising to narrow the field or push people out of hands rarely, if ever works. At these low limits, you'll find the "It's only another $4 to call.." mentality and that's where a lot of the bad beats come in. For that reason, and the general looseness of the games, its pretty tough to consistenty beat a 2/4 or 3/6 game unless you happen to catch the nuts often. If/when you decide to move up in limits, you'll be able to see the "bad" plays if you drop back down. | ||
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| Re: MOVING FROM 2-4 TO 3-6 OR 5-10 ETC, timmer, 20. Sep 2003 11:16 | ||
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| Your still young . Don't spend a bunch of time worrying about bets per hour in a 2 4 HE game. Worry more about getting a good education and a good job. A through understanding in math, english, and traditional studies will do more for your poker game than leatherbutting the 3-6 at the taj or borgatta. Besides you cant make a living at these limits they are largely a waste of time. Sure you can scrape up some chip and soda money out of them and maybe even some road money . But for earning a living Higher education or Trade apprenticeship is the way to go. Once you have won enough to move to the next limit say 100 or 150 big bets ( above and beyond you LL BR of 300 or so BB) you can start scouting the bigger games for a soft spot. In the interim maybe railbird a limit or two higher than you play . Just stand back observe and take a few judicious notes. Think about what you see. This can help you become familiar with what you might expect when moving up in limits. Don't worry, time is on your side. timmer on 17. Sep 2003 17:11 MrTeLLnj wrote: > Ok im 21..have been playing poker for about a year or 2 at home with friends and > at randome poker gettogethers, online and about 2times a month ill go to > Atlantic city to play low limit holdem(2-4). I do well , loose some win some,but > i feel like i am making nothing for the 4-8 hours at the table. I want to move > up to 3-6 or maybe 5-10( ooorrrr maybe just maybe 10 -20 but i dont know about > that). I usualy sit down at a 2-4 table with 80$to 100$ bucks > > What would it take $$$$ wize to play above 2-4, skill wize witch i have some, > do people fold more, what if im scared to play 5-10 because of loosing maybe 100 > bucks in one hand. > I hear it is easier to play mid-limit than a 2-4 game. > CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANY EXPERIENCES WITH THIS SITUATION OR SHOULD I STAY WITH > 2-4... > > Ps.......would entering mini 1 table tournaments ( 30- 60 $ buy ins) be worth > it. Seem like the profit if winning is prity good. | ||
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