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 LLHE JJ-88 preflop play, Eihli, 17. Sep 2003 07:11 | ||
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| Should you raise to isolate someone or call and hope for a set or overpair? Most of the time raises don't do much to make people fold at low limits, so would you only raise if it's folded around to you in mid/late position? | ||
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| Re: LLHE JJ-88 preflop play, shorn, 17. Sep 2003 07:20 | ||
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| Playing these hands in LL depends primarily on two factors: what type of game it is (passive or aggressive) and what your position is. Passive Game- In EP and MP, I prefer to simply call with these hands becuse you will generally get the odds necessary to try and flop your set. Riaisn generally won't limit the field, so why not get in cheaply. In LP, you might want to raise if there are 4 or 5 callers (especially in the cutoff and OTB) to build a bigger pot and also potentially get folks to "check to the raiser" on the flop. If you hit your set, then you can bet. If not, you can still bet if the board isn't scary or you have flopped an over pair OR take the free card if you want for another small (4.25%) chance to make your set. Aggressive Game- With an aggressive game, I will generally fold 88 from EP and call with 99-JJ. If the game is loose also, you may still get the correct number of people to call a raised pot. However, if I have called with 99 a few times and it has always come back capped, then i will start to drop that hand as well. From middle and late position, I think these hands are best played by simply calling. You still most likely need to hit your set to win, so you want to get in as cheap as possible. If you raise, you are faced with paying one or maybe even two more bets just to get to the flop, and there is little chance of taking control of the pot and/or getting a free card. These hands can be played profitably as long as you know when to get away from them. One thing to remember is that if you don't flop your set or an overpair/draw with them, you most likely need to check and fold from the flop on. Steve | ||
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| Re: LLHE JJ-88 preflop play, Pedro, 17. Sep 2003 07:32 | ||
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| If your table tight or loose. If they are tight then raising may fold a lot of them and you can isolate yourself against one opponet or two. Then your odds are much better on winning If your table is loose then you get the correct odds on your jacks hitting there trips so raising is not bad either in this type of table. I only raise with jacks, queens kings and aces. The rest I just call unless its no limit. The most important thing is know when your beat. Never just call. With this type of hand your either raising or folding. If one overcard hit like the queen or king and you have few opponets maybe 1 or 2 and 1 of them bet I would usually raise to see what he does. A lot of players will bet middle pair with a ace kicker or as easily betting a draw You got to know your players. If he reraises then folding will be the best move. You got to be a really strong player to reraise with the middle pair or a draw. If two overcards hit folding your jacks maybe best especially if there are a lot of opponets. Most of the time its feel, try to read your opponet you can tell if he's bluffing usually unless hes a strong player. In which case you shouldn't be playing with him. You want to be the best player at the table. There holding your money :). Good luck | ||
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| Re: LLHE JJ-88 preflop play, kennycatkiller, 19. Sep 2003 10:40 | ||
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| I play a lot at 4/8 limits and, quite frankly a raise pre-flop often does little to narrow the field. In fact, many are encouraged by the prospect of winning a bit pot and will call with almost anything. Lots of them will play ANY Ace. And, let's face it--unless you make a set, your middle pocket pair is usually dog-meat. My solution is usually to limp and pray for a set. If over cards come and someone comes out firing, you usually can throw your pair into the muck. And, if the flop comes with all low cards, the possiblity of a straight or straight draw is greatly enhanced. Play those middle pocket pairs carefully (at low limits). Now, in big-bet poker or NL, you can be aggressive with them. But, that is another subject entirely. | ||
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