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 PL O8 hand, Schuster, 16. Sep 2003 18:06 | ||
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| I'm just learning PL O8 and encountered this hand. I'm in the big blind with AJ74, no suited. It's a real piece of cheese but I see the flop for free. It's AA5 rainbow. I bet the pot (about 2.50), next player raises the pot, and next player raises all in. It's 28 for me to call and both players will be all in (the first pot raiser only has about $2 left). One of them has to have an ace (maybe A5), and maybe one of them has 55? I let it go, but should I have played? Lee | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, grant pittman, 16. Sep 2003 18:45 | ||
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| Schuster you can safely throw that hand in the muck......you really have nothing and you are certainly beat at this point. One of the realities of PLO is that a pot size raise and another pot size reraise will almost certainly indicate that one of your opponents has the current nuts. The other reason you must muck your hand has to do with your opponent's chip counts. Both of your opponents will be allin on this flop so you cannot "drain them" if you played and were lucky enough to spike a jack on the turn. Notice also that a 7 gives you the nut high hand but brings a low possibility that likely would give one of your opponents half the pot. Throw that trash in the muck and be happy your opponents made it such an easy choice for you!!!!! Good luck!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, LJH, 17. Sep 2003 07:56 | ||
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| schuster, you did the right thind. ljh | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, stdioh, 17. Sep 2003 10:54 | ||
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| You're very likely looking at an opponent who has an ace with a king at the very least and an opponent who holds 55. Or you've got an opponent with A5 ... or who knows. What matters is that even if you do hit your miracle jack, if a king or queen comes you will likely lose to QQ, KK, AK, or AQ. Ditch that hand. In fact, you shouldn't have potted it in the first place with just the AJ. Somebody else has the other ace and they almost certainly have a better kicker. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, 4 POKER, 17. Sep 2003 11:04 | ||
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| I see someone has honed their PLO8 skills, eh stdioh?.....good response, indeed:) You have to be very careful before you (anybody) committs your stack when there's already substantial action and you don't have enough outs to improve. But then again, Lee did fold the hand after he got the response from his initial bet. 4P- on 17. Sep 2003 10:54 stdioh wrote: > You're very likely looking at an opponent who has an ace with a king at the very > least and an opponent who holds 55. Or you've got an opponent with A5 ... or who > knows. What matters is that even if you do hit your miracle jack, if a king or queen > comes you will likely lose to QQ, KK, AK, or AQ. Ditch that hand. In fact, you > shouldn't have potted it in the first place with just the AJ. Somebody else has the > other ace and they almost certainly have a better kicker. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, noiseboy, 17. Sep 2003 12:24 | ||
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| Hi 4POKER, Do you think the initial bet might be defensible, since there weren't that many players, as a steal attempt? I find in PL games that I often can pick up small pots when I don't have anything and nobody else does either, ie, the pot is "up for sale." It would be hard to call that flop without an A or 55's at least. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, 4 POKER, 17. Sep 2003 13:05 | ||
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| Hi noiseboy, I do think a small bet on the flop is fine, absolutely, but I don't think that you can committ the rest of your stack after two players make substantial raises. The initial bet is good for several reasons. One being the one you pointed out, and the other is to gain information (perhaps) so you don't make what could be, a catastrophic bet or call on the turn without enough outs to either side of the pot....or to improve your high hand, as in this case with trip Aces and not enough redraw. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, noiseboy, 17. Sep 2003 14:45 | ||
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| I'm with you on not commiting your stack. Once someone plays back after your steal attempt, you are DONE! Another advantage of stealing or trying to steal the small pots on occasion is it makes it harder to put you on a hand. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, stdioh, 18. Sep 2003 14:01 | ||
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| You could try to steal, but I don't think that's a great spot to try it. When I like to steal is more like the following. Board is K93 rainbow and I flop top 2 pair. I've got 4 outs to a decent hand, but at the moment there is a chance I've got the best hand. If I don't hit my 4-outer I certainly won't have the best hand by the river. Now betting here will also likely fold off bottom set, if he's a good player, and it is unlikely for anybody to have middle or top set since you're holding top 2. If they come back swinging hard then you can get away from the bluff easilly too. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, noiseboy, 17. Sep 2003 12:19 | ||
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| When you bet the pot, it was a semi-bluff, hoping that nobody would have anything to call you with. Personally, I'm not sure if it's very good, because somebody else almost always has an A, due to the nature of the game. If somebody just calls, trying to slowplay or whatever, you could hit a J and milk them for a big pot. Once you got raised, you are through with the hand. The lowest thing sane person would be raising you with would be AK with a low draw. All in all, it's an automatic laydown. One of the main rules of Limit O8B is that you don't want to be chasing after 1/2 the pot. In this case, the only out that scoops is the miracle J. With the larger bet sizes in PLO8, it's even more important not to chase unless you have odds. | ||
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| Re: PL O8 hand, noiseboy, 17. Sep 2003 12:21 | ||
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| ps, I should add the disclaimer that I am just learning Pot limit O8 myself. | ||
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