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 New player question, RonnieB, 16. Sep 2003 09:08 | ||
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| It is my understanding that the best strategy for a loose - aggressive game, is tight - aggressive. Is this in general correct? How do you deal with loose - passive? Should you loosen up a little since the cost is less? I am a new player that got some great advice, read some books and transitioned from play money to micro-limit (.02/.04). The style went from very loose - very aggressive to loose - passive. I am winning with tight - aggressive but wonder if that is the optimum strategy. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Ron | ||
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| Re: New player question, shorn, 16. Sep 2003 09:34 | ||
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| I think with loose passive, the key is really post flop play. In this type of game where many people are seeing the flop but there is little raising, you are getting huge pre-flop implied odds to call and play some more marginal hands. Don't take it too far, but I think that loosening up your starting requirements a little will increase your win rate and amount. After the flop however, you need to continue being aggressive when you hit. Check raising often becomes an optimal strategy because the pot has become large and therefore allowing people to draw to hands that can beat you cheaply is a bad move. Raising with an apparent second best hand is also a good move if someone to your right bets. This can limit the field so that even if you are behind (say you hold ATs and the flop comes JT3 and you put your opponent on Top pair but smaller kicker), your chances of winning the pot increase dramatically if another Ten or an Ace comes. You might fold off someone holding AQ which you definitely want to do. So, play somewhat looser pre-flop (especially in late/middle position and late position), but continue to punish opponents after the flop when you have a good hand. | ||
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| Check raising - passive game, RonnieB, 16. Sep 2003 10:36 | ||
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| I guess the key to check raising in a passive game is that you believe someone will bet rather than check. I just left play money for micro-low limit (.02/.04) after getting some great advice and reading Jones. The game is still loose but the betting seems passive. Played the following hand: AQo in EP. Preflop, bet followed by 4 calls. Flop is Q 8 8 I had top pair but was worried about trip 8's Bet followed by 3 calls and 1 fold Turn is blank Bet follwed by 3 calls River is 9 Bet, two folds and a raise Realize I am beat but invest .04 to see what happened. Raiser had 98o. He limped with trips to the river and raised when he hit the full house. Was this passive betting by the guy with trips? Should I have tried to check raise after the flop? Could I have played it differently? Ron | ||
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| Re: Check raising - passive game, shorn, 16. Sep 2003 11:06 | ||
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| This was simply just a tough hand. I would likely have checked the flop hoping to check-raise, but it appears that the guy with the 8 might have checked along. Then, I would have bet the turn and if I only got callers, I would have likely bet the river too. Yes, the 9 completes the gutshot str8 for anyone holding JT, but I would be hard pressed to put someone on that. You can't always be afraid of monsters under the bed. i think the guy with the 8 played it toopassively. Frankly, most LL players will give you action no matter what you do, so you should most often play your trips fast. Also, he was taking a chance that anyone holding a Queen could beat him if another fell. I suppose you could have checked the river, but you still have to call. So, better to bet it out and hope that someone calls you with a weaker Queen then to call down anothe rbet. | ||
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| Re: Check raising - passive game, 4 POKER, 16. Sep 2003 13:36 | ||
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| Hi, Passive players very rarely bet. They will "call" you all the way down but they will usually wait until they have a made hand before they make a bet for themselves. If they DO bet, or RAISE you......watch out!! Check-raising works best when you can be almost certain that another player is going to bet it for you. That's why it is better a lot of the time to just bet the hand yourself. You can really miss out on a lot of extra (potential) money by attempting a check-raise play when it suddenly gets checked all the way around, and you can also wind up losing the pot 'due' to that, unless you hold the stone-cold nuts and it can not be beaten. Don't give free cards, especially when the pot is multi-way and there's a chance of someone drawing out on you. Make them Pay to get there!! The check-raise play works best against aggresive, and overly aggresive players, and players that you have good reads over as well, because you'll *know* what their actions are going to be a good percentage of the time and it will be easier for you to base your own decisions now on how to handle the betting strategies. Bet.......check......check-raise, whatever. But when in doubt of a players style and tendencies....bet straight-foward when you have a hand, as that hand may need to be protected as well. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Check raising - passive game, RonnieB, 16. Sep 2003 13:54 | ||
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| Great answer Ron | ||
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