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 Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, WilliamS, 15. Sep 2003 19:34 | ||
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| Here is a hand from a week ago. When it first happened I couldn't believe how unlucky I was; then I slept on it and figured I was just a slim favorite after the flop (went to the twodimes site too) My question is should I have played the hand differently? If so how? As far as the particulars of game texture, etc. I don't recall exactly. I was hesitant to post this, but am genuinely looking for constructive criticism here. Im wsaul Hand #364283-14635 at Pahrump (No Limit Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 10/Sep/03 22:41:32 broadstorm is at seat 0 with $294. wsaul is at seat 1 with $626. mierbi is at seat 2 with $400. CockyBrock is at seat 3 with $401. Class VI is at seat 4 with $386. kfranson is at seat 5 with $592.50. FRIEND is at seat 6 with $766 (sitting out). PBOCOP is at seat 7 with $458.50. faltopar is at seat 8 with $369.50. pavin is at seat 9 with $397.50. The button is at seat 5. PBOCOP posts the small blind of $2. faltopar posts the big blind of $4. broadstorm: -- -- wsaul: Kh Kd mierbi: -- -- CockyBrock: -- -- Class VI: -- -- kfranson: -- -- PBOCOP: -- -- faltopar: -- -- pavin: -- -- Pre-flop: pavin calls. broadstorm calls. wsaul raises to $22. mierbi calls. CockyBrock folds. Class VI folds. kfranson folds. PBOCOP folds. faltopar folds. pavin calls. broadstorm calls. Flop (board: 4h 9c 7h): pavin checks. broadstorm checks. wsaul bets $94. mierbi raises to $188. pavin folds. broadstorm folds. wsaul goes all-in for $604. mierbi goes all-in for $378. wsaul is returned $226 (uncalled). Turn (board: 4h 9c 7h 5c): (no action in this round) River (board: 4h 9c 7h 5c 6c): (no action in this round) Showdown: wsaul shows Kh Kd. wsaul has Kh Kd 9c 7h 6c: a pair of kings. mierbi shows 8h 9h. mierbi has 8h 9h 7h 5c 6c: straight, nine high. Hand #364283-14635 Summary: $3 is raked from a pot of $850. mierbi wins $847 with straight, nine high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, grant pittman, 15. Sep 2003 20:04 | ||
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| WilliamS I can't see much wrong with your play. After thinking it over I may have played it identically as you did. You did get unlucky that it cost you a huge chunk of change but your opponent flopped a big hand and was very close to even money to your hand after that flop.....I would have moved in on you with your opponents hand on the flop and I think he makes an error not doing so. As far as your decisions in the hand go I believe you played it properly. Better luck to you!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, WilliamS, 16. Sep 2003 05:41 | ||
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| Thanks Grant, I appreciate your input. I have concluded it was just one of those hands where my bankroll is going to take a hit if the "coin flip" goes the wrong way. If he had moved in on me on the flop should I lay it down if he is a respected player fearing trips? Thanks Will | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, grant pittman, 16. Sep 2003 07:44 | ||
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| William if I recall the hand correctly he had $400 at the start and you had $600 plus. You bet $22 preflop and another $94 on the flop(not sure of the numbers but it's close). Then he raised you another $94 on the flop. He had less than $200 left and the pot now contained close to $400. When you include his $94 raise plus his approximate $200 left you will be faced with calling a little less than $300 to win around $600 ($400 pot and his remaining $200 you are going to set him allin for). On that board with the potential flush draw there I am calling with KK in a flash!!!! This is especially true when he will be allin and you won't have to do any further guessing about his hand. You did the right thing in my opinion William. Good luck!!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, WilliamS, 16. Sep 2003 08:57 | ||
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| Grant, I hate to badger you, but what I was getting at in my last post was this: You said in your initial post, if you held my opponents hand you would move all-in on me on the flop. I was asking if I should call that bet if it were to happen (which it didn't obviously). And if I should, can both actions be correct, my opponent raising all-in and me calling? Will | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, grant pittman, 16. Sep 2003 19:07 | ||
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| William you raise an important concept in poker here.....in this case it would be correct for your opponent to move-in on the flop and it would also be correct for you to call. This can also be true in situations where you are incorrect calling but it would be an even greater error NOT calling. This situation is most common when you are beat in a hand and are pretty sure you are beat but the pot is so large that folding is too costly if you are wrong. Good post William!!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, Frank Grimes, 16. Sep 2003 06:14 | ||
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| Trying to analyze the hand from your opponent's perspective. . .he had to have figured you for a big pair given your preflop action. His logic must have been that he had a gutshot straight draw as well as the flush draw--the 9s alone would not hold up--and that was enough for him to make the call. I think he took a rather calculated risk and was very fortunate. | ||
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| Re: Bad beat? (Not really) Analyze my play please, kennycatkiller, 19. Sep 2003 11:09 | ||
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| Can we assume you were playing for "Play Money?" No one in his right mind would have played as "mierli" did--first, calling a substantial pre-flop raise with 89 suited, then raising your flop bet with 9's, then calling your all-in re-raise. Yes, you took a bad beat--just be thankful it was not for real money. | ||
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