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 tournament collusion, Luvhum, 15. Sep 2003 15:41 | ||
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| Does anybody know what measures can be taken to curb "dumping" in holem tournaments. | ||
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| Re: tournament collusion, mkpoker, 15. Sep 2003 16:05 | ||
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| Dumping chips to another player is cheating. If you seriously suspect that ANY cheating is going on, you should speak with a floorperson right away. That said, be forewarned that accusing someone of cheating is (and should be) a big deal. I'd be pretty sure before calling over a supervisor. This situation is actually trickier in tournaments than in ring games. In a ring game, if you have a sneaky but unprovable suspicion of foul play, you can quit and move to another table. Not so in tourneys, obviously. | ||
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| Re: tournament collusion, noiseboy, 15. Sep 2003 16:25 | ||
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| In my experience, it doesn't really happen in small tournaments. Things might happen that look funny, but don't assume it's dumping. One time I flopped the nut str8 and this guy kept reraising me, we were heads up so I kept raising him back until I was convinced that he had the same two cards as me, except suited to the board, in other words he also had the nut str8 but was freerolling to make a flush. Anyway, it turned out the guy was just a maniac and wanted to give me his chips for some reason. Luckily, other people knew he was a maniac, so nobody mentioned chip dumping or collusion. That was the first time I'd seen the guy in my life. Anyway the moral is that something that looks like chip dumping may just be an extreme case of fishiness. | ||
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| Re: tournament collusion, ADAM THE EXPERT, 16. Sep 2003 04:37 | ||
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| This issue has been addressed, by the change of the payout structure. Back in the day, first place was a Whopping 60 percent!! The drew "DUMPERS" to the games, like sharks to a bleeding fish. We went to fifty, then to the almost universally accepted 40% Internet sites, have rewritten the rules, paying a rediculously low 30% The lower payout for first, discourages MOST dumpers. But in the "Big one" with 2.5 mil at stake, if a highly-trained team of dumpers really wanted the first place, it would be almost impossible to stop them, unless they were really stupid. Good news is, same as for partners, such an undertaking would involve far more training and practice to successfully get away with it, than anyone with a cheating mind is likely to want to put the time in to do. Cheaters and theives, want a quick score, and are generally lazy. It's just like Mike said in one of his old books " (quoted from Caro on gambling) "For several months, I've been watching some of your partnerships in action. YOU'RE MAKING A LOT OF MISTAKES, FELLOWS. You don't seem to know, with any degree of certainty, when to play two hands, and raise liberally and when to play only your best hand. Additionally, you're betting when you should check, and checking when you should bet" The same thing applies to "dumpers' Most would NOT know when to DUMP, and when to keep both in the tournament. They would try to dump, when one had no hand at all, and someone would intercept their cards, and expose them as dumpers. I'm not saying that they don't exist, just that it is not very likely that there are any, and that they probably would not know what they are doing, if they try it. The players on the internet, play so badly, and so crazy, that it would be impossible to tell for sure, if DUMPING were taking place. Today, I had a guy with a 300 big blind, NOT put in his last 30 ! ! ! ! ! UNBELIEVABLE. To an onlooker, It would appear that he was just trying to increase my chance of first place, having already secured third. But, I don't know the guy, never seen him, and am not splitting with him. I guess he felt that the chance of one of us busting out to the other, on the next hand, was greater than the chance of his hand winning. Ha, like one of us is even going to play ANY hand in that spot. | ||
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| Re: tournament collusion, stdioh, 16. Sep 2003 07:48 | ||
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| Dumping is also not that effective. You can't guarantee a win with a dumping scheme - it is hard enough just to get the partners at the same tables. Men Nguyen has been accused of having his guys sneak tournament chips off the table and exchange them in the bathroom, then put them back on the table. In general, it is a lot of work to go to for a small amount of gain. I wouldn't be too worried if I thought somebody was dumping - I'd use that information to my advantage in the game and try to snap off an appropriate bluff, etc. | ||
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| Re: tournament collusion, chasepoker, 16. Sep 2003 07:54 | ||
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| Sdtioh wrote > it is hard enough just to get the partners at the same tables. I think this is the bit that makes ' dumping ' hard in tournaments. Also the nature of tournaments mean that even if you, for example, doubled your stack early on ( costing 2 buy ins for the dumpers ) you are not assured of any money. | ||
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