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 Favorite Opponents, Hatchthunder, 15. Sep 2003 11:10 | ||
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| After reading stdioh's thread about "early morning pro play" I started thinking about who my favorite opponents are. This is just a first glance, 1st impression sort of thing. I like to see the 21-30 year old with sunglasses and hat pulled low. I know he just learned how to play watching the WPT and will be easily beaten. He will not have the experience to think about what other people may be holding. I was just wondering what other poker players look for in table selection with just a 1st glance sort of criteria. Thanks in advance for your input. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Andrew Wells, 15. Sep 2003 17:33 | ||
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| People having a good time instead of a silent table is almost always an indicator of a decent game. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, grant pittman, 15. Sep 2003 18:30 | ||
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| Hatchthunder I have played poker in a lot of casinos often times knowing very few of the players I am sitting down with. First impressions can be misleading. I have seen a number of young players (especially in the last 2 years) playing for a lot of money who are also playing a high grade of poker. There are a lot of intelligent people playing this game....my experience has told me to watch them play before you rank them. Just a thought. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Andrew Wells, 15. Sep 2003 18:42 | ||
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| That's solid advice. On the flip side, I'm also resolved to never put anyone on a brain until they prove they have one. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, grant pittman, 15. Sep 2003 20:44 | ||
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| Andrew that's a pretty good one!!!!!! | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Andrew Wells, 16. Sep 2003 13:46 | ||
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| It was a hand where I called a late position raise from the big blind with AK and four other limpers involved that forced me to realize this. There's 12+ bets in the pot on a flop of 4 4 4; I'm going to see the turn and I might have the best hand anyway. I'm thinking ahead to the turn and decide to see if a situation comes up where I can represent a slow play since I could legitimately have the case four from the big blind. Checked around to the preflop raiser who predictably bets. If I checkraise now, I'm not going to be believed and anyone with a pocket pair is definately not moving. So I just call, and curiously everyone else mucks. Turn is a ten puting two hearts on board, I checkraise and get called. River is a low third heart, and I lose to KhQh. The guy says "I put you on aces when you raised me, I guess I was wrong." I wanted to say "I put you on a brain, I was wrong too", but I kept my mouth shut. So that's where this phrase and resolution comes from. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, shorn, 16. Sep 2003 13:53 | ||
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| Man, that is a classic. That is one guy that I would play with even if I had to pry my eyelids open to awake as Mike Caro has said. Unreal... | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, gary ford, 15. Sep 2003 23:25 | ||
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| on 15. Sep 2003 11:10 Hatchthunder wrote: > After reading stdioh's thread about "early morning pro play" I started thinking > about who my favorite opponents are. This is just a first glance, 1st > impression sort of thing. I like to see the 21-30 year old with sunglasses and > hat pulled low. I know he just learned how to play watching the WPT and will be > easily beaten. He will not have the experience to think about what other people > may be holding. I was just wondering what other poker players look for in table > selection with just a 1st glance sort of criteria. Thanks in advance for your > input. We are all on the lookout for the WPT wannabes and to make them pay tuition. As Grant points out, over the past 2 years the cap and glasses crowd has been weaned to a few better players at thehigher limits. However, for right now there is a stream of newbies at the lower limits. Not all are 20 somethings , but almost all have been inspired by TV.. Mike Caro's Book of Tells goes into stereotypes, whose unconcious behavior tends to categorize their poker tendencies. The book was published in 1984, was revolutionary, but is now part of the standard of poker literature. You can quickly tell if a player is female, Asian, Hispanic or black. You can also tell if they are from Europe, since poker has exploded there ,as well. Socio-economic tells are also available, as is , obviously, age. Buy the book, study new players as they approach the table. There's a wealth of information out there. Gary Ford | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Bart Mann, 16. Sep 2003 14:50 | ||
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| Hey now. I'm 33 years old, regularly play with a hat (and shades in tournaments) and I've been playing this way since 1994. The WPT is newer than that, is it not? Just thought I'd give you a little %#^$. ;-) Now if the hat says "WPT" on it, that's a different story . . . - Bart - | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Hatchthunder, 17. Sep 2003 06:41 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2003 14:50 Bart Mann wrote: > Hey now. I'm 33 years old, regularly play with a hat (and shades in tournaments) and > I've been playing this way since 1994. The WPT is newer than that, is it not? > > Just thought I'd give you a little %#^$. ;-) > > Now if the hat says "WPT" on it, that's a different story . . . > > - Bart - My starting thread did not mean to demean any players who wear a hat and sunglasses. I just was talking about the newer players who only do it because they see it on TV. I also think it is funny when they do this at the low limits like $2-$4. I had one of those WPT kids stare me down after I raised him $4. It went on for a full minute before he called and lost to my nut flush. I had to laugh. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, shorn, 17. Sep 2003 06:50 | ||
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| That is pretty funny. You should have looked really nervous so maybe he would raise you on a bluff trying to be cool. | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Hatchthunder, 17. Sep 2003 07:02 | ||
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| on 17. Sep 2003 06:50 shorn wrote: > That is pretty funny. You should have looked really nervous so maybe he would raise you on a > bluff trying to be cool. It was all I could do not to laugh right out. A couple of other people were chuckling behind their hands. It was a riot. I was sorry that he got up a couple of hands later. He was the tables ATM machine | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Bart Mann, 17. Sep 2003 07:28 | ||
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| Anyone else notice the propensity lately for players to call "time" so they can stare people down? I was playing in a low-roller tournament a few days ago ($30 to get in) and no less than three people at my table called "Time Out"--in the first hour, no less--so they could stare down another player. Would screaming "Fold your damn hand and get on with it!" get me tossed out? | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, Risky Business, 17. Sep 2003 08:06 | ||
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| Have to agree here. The stare-down is getting a bit ridiculous. My favorite line from the WSOP episodes was "If (insert player here) looks at him any longer, he's going to have to buy him dinner." on 17. Sep 2003 07:28 Bart Mann wrote: > Anyone else notice the propensity lately for players to call "time" so they can stare people down? I was > playing in a low-roller tournament a few days ago ($30 to get in) and no less than three people at my > table called "Time Out"--in the first hour, no less--so they could stare down another player. > > Would screaming "Fold your damn hand and get on with it!" get me tossed out? | ||
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| Re: Favorite Opponents, guinnessman, 17. Sep 2003 13:27 | ||
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| My favorites are any player with 2 drinks in front of them when sitting at a table. I was at the Taj in August and I sat at a 2-4 table where 7 players were ordering 2 beers at a time. I was alternating between coffee and water and tipping the waitress $5 every other time asking her to come back in 10 minutes. Even with $50+ in tips given away, I walked away $450 up after 5 hours on a 2-4 table!! Guinnessman | ||
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