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 Tournament hand, Schuster, 14. Sep 2003 19:59 | ||
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| I'm the shortest stack at the table with just over 12000, with the blinds at 1000 and 2000. There's still 35 left in the tournament, I have to get to 30 to get to the next level of the money. I'm under the gun and make it 6000 to go with KK. One middle player calls. The flop is A33. I bet out 3000, and he moves in (he has me covered by about 6000). I have just over 3000 left and next hand is my big blind. What do you do? Lee | ||
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| Re: Tournament hand, Mark Gregorich, 14. Sep 2003 23:10 | ||
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| Tough spot. I would probably begin the decision making process by asking myself "Why does the $#%@#$^ ace always have to come when I have KK?" I have made both decisions in this or a similar situation before, and generally didn't feel too good about either one (I either left broke when they showed me the ace or left curious when I folded and they quietly mucked their hand). If I was going to bet the flop in order to see what action my opponent took, I might have bet the $2000 minimum instead of $3000. I would guess that you would find out the same info this way. It would take a good player to read that much weakness into your bet, and then move all-in himself (assuming your chips were similar) without an ace, feeling he could move you off your hand. Mark | ||
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| Re: Tournament hand, shorn, 15. Sep 2003 08:12 | ||
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| I think I would have checked the flop when the A came off. You need to be in survival mode and I don't think he will call you (or raise you all-in) with any hand that you can beat because he probably knows that if he comes over the top of you, you will call him with any pair because you are so short stacked. So, I think that rules out a bluff by him.. If he doesn't have an Ace, he folds and if he does, you are screwed. So, by betting you are risking your remaining stack with no hope of winning any more $$. | ||
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| Re: Tournament hand, Wren, 15. Sep 2003 12:25 | ||
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| Tough spot, Schuster. With blinds that high and a stack so low, I'd be prepared to commit my stack with KK. In fact, I think I'd be inclined to push all-in preflop here to prevent a tough situation like yours coming up. Given that you put in half your stack, got a cold-call and then saw an A-high flop, well, that makes for a very tough situation indeed. The decision of whether to get the rest of my money in or bow out would depend on my knowledge of the other player, but I don't think I'd make a "probe bet" of half my remaining stack to find out - the whole thing in or out. on 14. Sep 2003 19:59 Schuster wrote: > I'm the shortest stack at the table with just over 12000, with the blinds at > 1000 and 2000. There's still 35 left in the tournament, I have to get to 30 to > get to the next level of the money. I'm under the gun and make it 6000 to go > with KK. One middle player calls. The flop is A33. I bet out 3000, and he > moves in (he has me covered by about 6000). I have just over 3000 left and next > hand is my big blind. What do you do? > > Lee | ||
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| results, Schuster, 15. Sep 2003 17:18 | ||
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| I mucked the hand and he showed me 22. Huh?! The guy was new to the table so I didn't have much of a read on him, but I'm not going to fold KK preflop. Then he had to ask me if I had the ace. I guess he thought that I would think he had a 3? Not a big tournament player, I guess. I did manage to double up the next hand, but next time I moved in, I was on the wrong end of a coinflip and busted out 31st. After thinking about it, with any hand he has, I either have him near buried, or he has me near buried. If I decide I'm going to put all my chips in, I might as well check and let him bet it for me and pick up some extra chips. I don't see a lot of extra value in getting him to fold if his hand is behind, and he won't fold if he is ahead. Thanks for the thoughts guys. Lee | ||
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| Re: results, shorn, 16. Sep 2003 05:43 | ||
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| Wow, guess I was wrong about the bluff. Kind of a dumb play by him (or a brilliant one). If he had just come to the table, you would think he wouldn't have a read on you, and with that board you wouldn't fold any Ace that you had. Very risky play on his part if you asked me. Perhaps he thought that if you really had a big Ace, you would have checked the flop hoping to trap? This example continues to reinforce for me that my NL tourny gem needs work...ugh. | ||
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| Re: Tournament hand, chasepoker, 16. Sep 2003 06:04 | ||
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| on 14. Sep 2003 19:59 Schuster wrote: > I'm the shortest stack at the table with just over 12000, with the blinds at > 1000 and 2000. There's still 35 left in the tournament, I have to get to 30 to > get to the next level of the money. I'm under the gun and make it 6000 to go > with KK. I would say that as you probably realise you may as well have just gone all in preflop with your first bet the only hand that you fear is AA and if someone has that then all the money is going in preflop anyway ! In No Limit the key is winning pots with put showdowns, everytime you have to show down a hand to win you can lose, give me 5 small pots won preflop as opposed to 2 huge ones where you hve to gamble with having the winning hand. One middle player calls. The flop is A33. I bet out 3000, and he > moves in (he has me covered by about 6000). I have just over 3000 left and next > hand is my big blind. What do you do? As for the bet on the flop i would say that the 'feeler' bet is probably not how i would have played it, i think i would have gone all in on the flop and taken my chances ( not just because i have read the outcome ! ) Again it all comes down to style i always go for the top places and it sometimes costs me money by not moving up the lower money spots but thats not where the real money is made in Tournaments ! Go for the top spots i started doing this about 4 months ago and my results have improved ten times ! > > Lee Chasepoker | ||
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