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 89suited:2 questions for the experts, PocketFives, 14. Sep 2003 15:34 | ||
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| I read in a column that when you have a solid-thigh image, you can sometimes raise with a hand like 89 suited for 3 reasons : 1) you build a large pot if the flop hits your hand 2) you disguise your hand 3) the next time you'll raise with a real solid hand like As-K or a big pair, you'll get more callers (probably the main reason). 2 questions : 1) can you do the same thing (with the same goals, and the same frequency, which should be no more than one or two times in a session, I suppose) with a small pocket pair like 55 or 88 ? 2) instead of trying to build a big pot, can you try to reduce the field : reraise a raiser with 89 suited in an effort to isolate him and being heads-up with him (which has more chance to succeed if both the raiser and yourself have a thigh-solid image). You now have 2 ways to overplay him on the flop : try to bluff him out of the pot if you hit nothing (representing a big pocket pair), or get much money from him if you hit a straight or two pairs, as he'll probably not believe you made it 3 bets which such a hand. Any comment welcome. Thank you. | ||
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| Re: 89suited:2 questions for the experts, Mark Gregorich, 14. Sep 2003 22:58 | ||
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| If you have a solid, tight (or thigh?) image, raising with 89 suited, if you can reduce the field to you and the blinds or perhaps a weak limp-in player, then you can bet when a high flop comes (because your opponents will probably assume you have big cards, since you raised), and frequently win the pot with this bet. If middle cards come, you will improve your hand and can frequently surprise your opponents, who may give you too much action. I'm not sure about the argument that doing this will get you extra action next time you have AK. It may, but many poker players have short memories. However, if you habitually make this play, they will certainly notice (but you shouldn't habitually make this play - only occasionally). Can you raise with 88 or 55 before the flop? Certainly, but I would advise doing this more to protect your fragile pair than for any other reason. You can occasionally reraise preflop with the 89 suited. However, I would recommend doing this against an opponent who you feel is raising with a weak hand (probably near the button), in a spot where the blinds are unlikely to come for 3 bets cold (they are tightish players). Also, make sure the player you are reraising is someone who isn't a total calling station (you are likely to flop nothing, but reraising preflop here obligates you to try and pick up the pot - that's why you make this play; so if your opponent misses the flop, you can win it with a bet - but this won't work if he's a calling station, he may get to the river with nothing but an ace). Mark | ||
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| Re: 89suited:2 questions for the experts, Schuster, 14. Sep 2003 23:07 | ||
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| > If you have a solid, tight (or thigh?) image, raising with 89 suited, if you can > reduce the field to you and the blinds or perhaps a weak limp-in player, then you can > bet when a high flop comes (because your opponents will probably assume you have big > cards, since you raised), and frequently win the pot with this bet. If middle cards > come, you will improve your hand and can frequently surprise your opponents, who may > give you too much action. > I'm not sure about the argument that doing this will get you extra action next time > you have AK. It may, but many poker players have short memories. However, if you > habitually make this play, they will certainly notice (but you shouldn't habitually > make this play - only occasionally). I occasionally raise out of the big blind when playing heads up limit poker if I know my opponent well for these reasons. They will put me on big cards since I am raising out of position and I can either steal with a "scary" flop or get more action that I would normally get if the flop connects with me. It's best for the tighter and more straight forward opponent. If my opponent is tricky, I'd be very hesitant to make this kind of raise. Naturally, I don't do it very often, but it is good for deception and you can get a few extra bets if you connect with something nice. Lee | ||
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