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 more pot odds, xefe4, 12. Sep 2003 13:04 | ||
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| Am I working my pot odds correctly? Ex: say you flopped the nut set and after fourth st. you know your up against a made flush or straight. Now you need to catch your fourth card or for the board to pair, so you have 10 outs and 46 cards left in the deck. Roughly 22percent chance. If the bet is $10 to you there must be at least $50 in the pot to call right? What if you think your up against a made straight of flush after the flop. There are 2 cards to come. Should there be $45 in the pot to call the $5 small bet so that there is $50 in the pot after fourth st? Also, should you ever manipulate the pot odds with a raise? Ex.. you have the nut flush draw and there isnt too much in the pot but a raise may get 2 callers? If you can help out I am curious to know what level you play. I want to move up to 5-10. I play 3-6 and 4-8 live games. I hate playing online bec I usually save 10 BB a session reading when im up against the nuts. | ||
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| Re: more pot odds, jaustin, 12. Sep 2003 14:18 | ||
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| With the nut set against a made straight or flush, I think you don't need as good pot odds to call. Assuming you tighten up, you should get at least one more bet and maybe two on the river, so you need a smaller pot than what would be correct "pot odds" to call. About calling on the flop, I only consider the river card in my odds to make the hand if I would call a turn bet as well. If you plan on folding your draw on the turn, the odds of making your hand on the river are irrelavent. Of course, if you think your opponent may check on the turn and give you a free card, take that into account. And again, it matter if your opponent will call a raise on the turn or river if you make your hand. The standard - I have a 1/3 chance to hit my 4-flush is easy to use and generally leads to the correct play, but there are more thorough ways to evaluate the situation. | ||
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| Re: more pot odds, grant pittman, 14. Sep 2003 04:06 | ||
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| Xefe4 let me see if I can help you here. If you are certain you are facing a straight or a flush after the turn and you have a set then the relevant math would be.....10 cards out of the remaining 46 will make you a fullhouse or better....so your opponent has 36 good cards and you have 10 good cards...you are going to make your hand one time in 4.6 trials or if it is simpler to speak in whole numbers you will make your hand 10 times EVERY 46 times you run this sample. The odds against you making your hand are 3.6-1 so for every $1 you put in the pot you need to recover $3.60 from the pot. This includes the turn betting and all bets that go into the pot on the river. So to answer your question........you would not need $50 in the pot on the turn to justify your call of $10....the pot would only need to contain $36 of profit at the conclusion of the hand. If for example the pot had only $30 in it on the turn but you knew your opponent would pay off if you filled up then you can see that the pot would contain $30+$10 so the end result would be a profit of $40 and your call would be correct. I know this is a little confusing but keep at it and it will become clear. Good luck!!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: more pot odds, xefe4, 14. Sep 2003 07:25 | ||
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| no. thats not confusing at all. makes sense. im really good with numbers, i just didn't know that i should factor in future calls/bets. -thanks | ||
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| Re: more pot odds, NiceFella, 24. Sep 2003 00:14 | ||
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| When you flop a set and need to make a full house or better, you are making two draws to get one of your ten cards. At a $5/10 game, this will cost you $15: 5 on the flop, and 10 on the turn. With two chances to hit, you will make your hand about 1/3 of the time. So you need to get about $30 for your $15. This condition will be met virtually every time, since $15 of it will be there just from one opponent's betting, and $15 is likely to be in the pot already from pre-flop betting. So when you flop a set, you pretty much have to stay in all the way the the river, unless you are sure you are up against a better set or full house. If there are more than three players on the flop, you should be raising like a madman, even if you know there is a flush out there already, because you'll be getting a positive return on those bets. NiceFella | ||
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