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 Advice, please, KEB, 10. Sep 2003 13:27 | ||
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| I've been playing online for about 5 months now - starting at the free tables and gradually moving up as my play improved. I'm currently playing the .50/$1 tables at UB (still in the micro leagues - but I don't feel I'm ready to go on up - I about break even, but still also experiencing some pummeling to the bank roll when I get stupid and succumb to bad play) - but can battle back to even +). I would appreciate your thoughts regarding: 1. Raising pre-flop with strong unpaired openers (AK, AQ, KQ, etc.) and betting the flop regardless of whether it hits. 2. Average per hour win rate (ie.: how many BB per hour?) 3. How do you determine a "good" game to enter? Thanks in advance - this is a great forum, intelligent and friendly! ---KEB | ||
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| Re: Advice, please, shorn, 10. Sep 2003 13:47 | ||
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| KEB- My answers are below. Steve on 10. Sep 2003 13:27 KEB wrote: > I would appreciate your thoughts regarding: > > 1. Raising pre-flop with strong unpaired openers (AK, AQ, KQ, etc.) and betting > the flop regardless of whether it hits. Be careful to include KQ in this set of three. I think that AK and AQ are raising hands pre-flop, but KQ is not unless you are in late middle or late position and are trying to steal. As far as betting flops that haven't hit you, that depends on a few factors. First, how many opponents are in the hand? If there are more than two, then likely a rag flop hit someone. Also, it depends on your position. I would rarely bet a rag flop into two opponents from early position, but if they both checked to me, then I might give it a try. And by rag flop I mean 972 rainbow or something like that. More often than not in a LL game, you are better off taking a free card than not and hoping to hit on the turn. If someone shows strength on a flop where you missed AND after you raised pre-flop, then you need to either fold or raise...rarely call. Why raise? Because they may be betting on the fact that the flop missed you and sometimes they will fold to a raise. This is a high vol. strategy, but sometimes worth it. > 2. Average per hour win rate (ie.: how many BB per hour?) Online, the good players should win anywehre from 1.5 to 3 BB per hour depending on the limit. In a live game, shoot for 1 to 1.5. > 3. How do you determine a "good" game to enter? This depends on your style. For me, I like a game that has decent sixze pots (say 6-7 BB's at the end), but not a ton of strategic raising. So, a lot of passive calling stations. This is because I feel that I can outplay people once the flop comes and a loose passive game allows me to see a lot of flops. For now, stick to playing tight poker until you figure out what type of game you play best in and then seek it out. I would also recommend reading Holdem poker or The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky, both of which have good discussion on the types of games. > Thanks in advance - this is a great forum, intelligent and friendly! > > ---KEB | ||
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| Re: Advice, please, jake, 16. Sep 2003 00:02 | ||
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| read reread and rereread any book you have or can find. I like LLH, there is plenty of discussion on the topic of books elsewhere. But i would say at the lower limits dont bet to get people out of the pot. it just doesnt work. bet when you have a great hand or a great draw or drop it until you learn when borderline hands can be profitable. | ||
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| Re: Advice, please, NiceFella, 23. Sep 2003 23:54 | ||
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| I tend to be an aggressive raiser, even in a low-limit game. I don't do it expecting people to fold. I do it because poor players will call and call and call with almost anything, and when I have a better hand I want them to pay. KQ is one of those times when I *don't* have the best hand. If it gets raised before me, I seriously consider dropping this hand. Think about it -- if someone has a raising hand (usually AA, KK or AK at low limits) then there's almost nothing I can beat with KQ. However, like shorn said, in late position it's probable that KQ is the best hand if no one's yet entered the pot, and it's worth raising to steal the blinds, or to maybe get called by a blind with a weaker hand. Thus, the only time you'll be holding KQ in a raised pot, and thinking about stealing on the flop, is after the blinds have checked to you. I'll bet with almost anything in this situation. If you raised preflop with AK or AQ and the flop misses you, that's a book in itself. Some players will call you down with a pair of fours, some players will call you down trying to fill a straight, and some players will fold immediately. This is why I like playing in a B&M and not online -- I can guess what will happen more easily. In general, I'll make a steal bet on the flop and again on the turn. If I get raised, I give up. I rarely make a third steal attempt on the river, because schmucks who call twice will usually call a third time. Every now and again a situation comes up where a steal will work, but again, playing online it's very hard to know. This is one of those things that experience and situational read will dictate. However don't be one of those sad players who automatically bluff bets the flop, turn, and river every time when AK misses. Your bets will lose their stealing power because you'll be bluffing too often, and you'll get called every time. You'll just be throwing money away. Regarding hourly win rate, I think you should strike such thoughts completely from your brain. BB/hour is a magical fiction which occupies the thoughts of players who dream of how much money they'll make when they quit their day job to play poker full time. I'm not saying you can't make money playing poker -- indeed you can -- but poker doesn't even come close to paying by the hour. It pays through merciless and demoralizing swings of small wins, frustrating losses, and terminally dull weeks of breaking even. After you've put in a few hundred hours of play you'll know how much money you're making. If it's positive, congratulations. If you are making anywhere north of a few dollars an hour you should feel very accomplished. After all, although few admit it, the majority of poker players are long-term losers. To me, a "good" game has 4 or more players seeing each flop, very little raising, and very little folding. A good game has lots of sucking out, and players that make terrible decisions or play slowly. It's a cruel reality of poker that the best games tend to be the most annoying to play in. Best of luck, NiceFella | ||
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