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 What hands to play with alot of callers??, Eman, 10. Sep 2003 11:03 | ||
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| I wanted to know what kinda hands people play from Button if you have a lot of callers preflop...no raises. I call anything playable fromt he Button if I see alot of callers and no raising: such as any connected cards- even 10,8 - Q,9, - 4,5 any suited cards A x, K x, Q x Any comments or suggestions appreciated | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, shorn, 10. Sep 2003 11:10 | ||
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| I play a lot of connected hands too, although I try to stay away from suited Kings and Queens unless they can also make a two card str8. I seem to get into a lot of trouble with those when i flop top pair, so better for me to fold them instead of get myself into a "compounding error" situation. But, I play all of the other hands you suggest, even down to 32 if the blinds are extremely loose. Sometimes I might even raise on the button with a hand like T9s to build a pot in case I hit and maybe even get a free card on the flop too. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, Eman, 10. Sep 2003 11:16 | ||
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| I tend to raise after the flop for a free river look when needed. At least Im no wasting a bet preflop when the flop doesnt help me one bit. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, shorn, 10. Sep 2003 11:18 | ||
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| True, but the pre-flop raise is really designed to build a big pot in case you hit a big flop. This is similar to raising OTB with a medium pair wth 5 callers in front of you so that if you hit your set, you rake in a bunch of $$. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, Eman, 10. Sep 2003 11:21 | ||
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| Agreed, But I get so annoyed raising and seeing all the wrong cards on the flop. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, jaustin, 10. Sep 2003 11:26 | ||
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| Completely agree about Kxs. I know Sklansky says this is a playable hand in loose games, but it takes expert play after the flop to make it profitable. You need to have a good read on your opponents so you know when you hit a king if it's good. As Shorn stated, one bet pre-flop can cost you a whole lot more after it. Stay away from hands that even if you hit you can lose until you feel you have a good read on your opponents. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, LJH, 10. Sep 2003 13:32 | ||
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| EMAN, YOU ARE PLAYING TO MANY HABDS WITH BAD CARDS, THEY WILL EAT YOU UP. PLAY THE HIGH PAIRS AND THE HIGH CONNECTS. AND READ SOME GOOD BOOKS. LJH | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, 4 POKER, 10. Sep 2003 14:08 | ||
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| Certain types of holdings like Kx suited, Qx suited, and even hands like 10-8 (from a button position) can be played (and for a profit) IF you play your hands really well "after" the flop. 4 POKER on 10. Sep 2003 11:03 Eman wrote: > I wanted to know what kinda hands people play from Button if you have a lot of > callers preflop...no raises. > I call anything playable fromt he Button if I see alot of callers and no > raising: such as > any connected cards- even 10,8 - Q,9, - 4,5 > any suited cards > A x, K x, Q x > > Any comments or suggestions appreciated > | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, rampage, 11. Sep 2003 16:51 | ||
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| Play big suited cards. If you flop a flush draw, raise and re raise. Bet the turn. Check the river if you miss. Bet if you pair. Also, play big pairs. But don't raise an entire table of limpers with Aces. At the flop, remember: No set, no bet. Bet or raise with a set. Charge the players drawing ( and almost all of them will be) as much as you can to get there. If you decide to play medium suited connectors, or medium pairs, or worse, remember that if no one folds before the flop, your chance of having the under set, or flush, are very high. Try to be the one with the nut. Do not play offsuit cards. Be careful with AK off. Play but if nine people see the flop, AK off is an underdog. If you miss the flop, you're dead. You may even be dead if you hit the flop (Top pair, top kicker) because there will be a flush draw and some one will be drawing. That's the nature of games like this. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, 4 POKER, 11. Sep 2003 18:01 | ||
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| Hey rampage, Why wouldn't you raise with pocket Aces before the flop? I don't care how many players limp in.......if I'm holding A-A, there *paying* another bet to see the flop. When the game 'is' loose/passive, you will be able to play a more variety of holdings from the button position when there's alot of callers, and the cost is cheap to come in. But, that doesn't mean that your really *strong* hands should now be played passively pre-flop because you feel, "ugh, there's just too many players who have limped in already, so I'll just call". You *have* to raise pre-flop when you have the best hand. I know you may feel that A-A will get drawn out many times under these circumstances, but they should still be played aggresively. You can always try to maneuver the hand after the flop if need be, and you can also fold your hand if you feel that the board just doesn't fit you strong enough anymore; "Yes", even with Aces! So when you hold a great hand, you just have to make those guys pay to see the flop. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, Schuster, 11. Sep 2003 19:49 | ||
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| I agree. If everyone at the table plays, you're getting 9 to 1 on your money and I'd be surprised if aces were worse than a 3 to 1 dog to win at the showdown with all those people in. So what if you're a dog to win? You're getting huge money odds. Suck the juice out of the hand as much as possible. Lee | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, shorn, 12. Sep 2003 04:57 | ||
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| Where do you draw the line? Would you do the same thing with QQ? KK? Just curious. BTW, I agree that you definitely should raise with AA. | ||
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| Re: What hands to play with alot of callers??, 4 POKER, 12. Sep 2003 14:04 | ||
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| on 12. Sep 2003 04:57 shorn wrote: > Where do you draw the line? Would you do the same thing with QQ? KK? Just curious. BTW, I > agree that you definitely should raise with AA. Hey Steve, Well that would all depend on the situation itself, obviously. But in most cases,(and this is all based on a limit poker ring game), I would raise with KK AND even QQ,except for maybe not out of the blinds with QQ so I may be able to use that 'play' as a deceptive type, if I hit it, or to use my position to set up for a check-raise; something like that. OR, to check the flop, with the intentions of folding the hand if an Ace or a King flops and there's too much action taken place now, AND how many callers are in the pot will also be another factor, and what their tendencies are will also have a part in the way I play my own hand. However.....I treat KK the same way I would treat AA, (even though Aces are much stronger than Kings), and that would be to raise and re-raise the hand pre-flop and then play it accordingly after the flop. The more players seeing the flop, the more cautious I may be if an Ace flops and I have KK. But that's still not going to deter me from raising pre-flop with KK even if the game is on the loose side. That's also not going to deter me from betting with pocket Kings if an Ace flops and the pot is heads up or two callers either. I would "back off" from the hand if I 'thought' that my KK was no good anymore (if an Ace landed), but it's doesn't mean that I will just check and fold the hand either. I base my actions on the way my opponents react as well. If I have KK and an Ace flops......if it's heads up (or 3 handed say), I 'will' bet the flop, and then take it from there; depending on their reactions either on the flop, or on the turn; and depending on what the 'turn' card brings as well. It's not all cut and dry, because too many factors can alter the way you play any hand, whether it be pocket Aces or pocket "whatevers"! Now......not every hand is going to be 8 and 9 way action, and I would rather play it aggresively pre-flop and try to knock out as many as I could (including the blinds).......and then make my best decision on the flop, depending on how the action takes place "then". You can always fold your hand if it doesn't look good enough on the flop (or the turn).....but that won't keep me from trying to narrow the field pre-flop by raising with the hand either. I'm talking about lower limits as well......not just higher limits. There's also nothing wrong with raising AK suited preflop in a loose game. To me, it's a value raise and it 'can' work to your advantage after the flop comes up as well. imho, if you play your hands really well after the flop, hands like (AA), KK, QQ, and AK suited should be hands that you should be willing to put a raise in with. There all money-making type holdings when played 'correctly' pre-flop AND post-flop. I may not *always* raise with AK, as I feel that type of play could cause an opponent to bet out with a weaker A or K, if one flops....but many times I will put in a raise with AK preflop.....it really does depend on position as well. The same *may* apply for pocket QQ's as I mentioned earlier. Hands like JJ, 10-10 will be played more passively pre-flop IF there are already too many limpers. But AA, KK, (and most of the time, QQ) get played aggresively pre-flop......at least by me they do! Dave | ||
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