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 Fish Needs Help, RonnieB, 10. Sep 2003 09:48 | ||
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| The better players will need to hold their noses while reading this but I would really appreciate any comments, no matter how brutal. I decided I wanted to learn to play Holdem from watching it on TV. Yeah, I know, good fish intro. Joined Paradise and began on the play money tables. I could learn to play for free. Turned my 1000 into 400 fairly quickly and realized their may be some skills to this game that I did not know. I bought two books, Ken Warren teaches Texas Hold'em and Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by Skalnsky and Malmuth. After reading these two books, I went back to Paradise and turned my 400 into 4000. I decided I was ready for prime time, so I deposited $60 and began playing the .5/$1 table. The first two sessions (about 3 hours), left me about even. The third session was a bad, ugly bad. I busted out and was probably on tilt the last hour. Back to the drawing board, play money at Paradise and more research. What were the holes in my game? 1. Playing too many hands, I was seeing 65% flops. 2. Chasing too many draws after the flop. I had trouble knowing when to say fold. 3. Need a bigger bankroll. 200 to 300 times the big bet is required to weather the bad luck storm. 4. Lack of knowledge in terms of how to tell if I am playing poorly or getting bad luck. 5. Poor understanding of when to raise. I am recording every hand now. I try to judge my luck in two ways. How many garbage hands did I draw? I call them category 9 or all hands Sklansky did not list in 1-8, about 57%. What is my showdowns won percentage? I am playing around 35%of hands, still too high but I am not sure how to get lower. I win around 20% of the better hands, Skansky's categories 1-5 but most of my money won comes from the 5-7 categories. I am winning on average 45% of showdowns. If I flop a hand, I win around 17% of the time. I win around 8% of games played. It is not my goal to make a living playing poker, obviously. I would like to play in the lower limits for fun. If anyone made it to his point in the post, I would appreciate any comments. Thanks Ron | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, jaustin, 10. Sep 2003 09:58 | ||
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| One of guesses would be you need to learn the value of position. Playing 35% of hands is fine in late position but from an early position it should be very low (Groups 1-3). | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, mkpoker, 10. Sep 2003 10:13 | ||
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| Ronnie B...See my notes below! > The better players will need to hold their noses while reading this but I would > really appreciate any comments, no matter how brutal. I don't think I'm a "better player"...but I'll try to help. > > I decided I wanted to learn to play Holdem from watching it on TV. Yeah, I > know, good fish intro. Joined Paradise and began on the play money tables. I could learn to play for free. Turned my 1000 into 400 fairly quickly and realized their may be some > skills to this game that I did not know. Personally, I don't think the play money tables are very valuable. I'd play them as an exercise only. For example, on each deal, figure out what the absolute nut hand is. For each draw, calculate the pot odds as quickly as you can. But don't be fooled into thinking that play money tables simulate real money tables with any accuracy. > > I bought two books, Ken Warren teaches Texas Hold'em and Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by Skalnsky and Malmuth. After reading these two books, I went back to Paradise and turned my 400 into 4000. For low limit, I think Ken Warren's book is great. Sklansky/Malmuth is also a great book, but more applicable to higher limits. > > I decided I was ready for prime time, so I deposited $60 and began playing the .5/$1 table. The first two sessions (about 3 hours), left me about even. The third session was a bad, ugly bad. I busted out and was probably on tilt the last hour. Don't fret. Break even on your first sessions is OK. And EVERYONE has losing sessions. My real concern is that you ID'd yourself as tilting, but didn't do anything about it! It's hard, but when you feel the tilt coming on, you've got to take a break. > > Back to the drawing board, play money at Paradise and more research. Again, stating my personal view...nothing will substitute for experience at real money tables. I'd play micro-limit over play money. > > What were the holes in my game? > 1. Playing too many hands, I was seeing 65% flops. Yikes! That's waaaaay to high. As a true newbie, you'll probably want to play a little tight. There isn't an "ideal" flop percentage, but I'd look for a range of 25-35%. > 2. Chasing too many draws after the flop. I had trouble knowing when to say fold. You and me both. But making the laydowns is a key to this game. Are you estimating pot odds when calling drawing hands? I'd suggest recording hand histories of what you consider "close calls," and when your session is over, look back and recalculate the odds you were taking. > 3. Need a bigger bankroll. 200 to 300 times the big bet is required to weather the bad luck storm. Well stated. > 4. Lack of knowledge in terms of how to tell if I am playing poorly or getting bad luck. Another tough one. Again, I'd suggest looking back at some of your beats when the session is done. Where you drawn-out on the river (which could indicate plain bad luck) or were you frequently drawing dead (which could indicate poor play). > 5. Poor understanding of when to raise. For very low limits, I suggest a simple rule of when to raise: When you're confident you have the best hand, raise. Good Luck! | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, FUTRPKRSTR, 11. Sep 2003 17:57 | ||
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| Before buying book's on hold'em for advanced players you should probaly buy theory of poker by sklansky its a great book for beginners me myself am one and I read it and it helps alot. | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, chasepoker, 11. Sep 2003 18:14 | ||
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| I would strongly disagree with this ! The book Theory of poker, whilst a must read, is not one that should be at the top of your list if you are a beginner. I have been playing for about 3-4 years and still do not fully apreciate all the points of TTOP. Read it - yes, read it now - no. on 11. Sep 2003 17:57 FUTRPKRSTR wrote: > Before buying book's on hold'em for advanced players you should probaly buy theory of > poker by sklansky its a great book for beginners me myself am one and I read it and it > helps alot. Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, FUTRPKRSTR, 11. Sep 2003 18:34 | ||
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| Yea! I agree with you chase (totally) but I think if he wants to learn the value of hand's its the best book to go to just my opinion though. | ||
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| Re: Fish (and FUTR) Needs Help, mkpoker, 11. Sep 2003 19:43 | ||
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| FUTR, Don’t take this the wrong way, but you need to think more before you post. First you came up with that offensive screed against Gary, and now you support a message thread that goes something like this: Austin: I’m a beginner, what books should I read? MK: Before turning to advanced books, read the basics. FUTR: Read the Theory of Poker. Chase: I disagree, that’s a highly advanced book. FUTR: I agree with Chase that it’s not right for beginners, but it’ll teach the value of hands. MK (current post): IF YOU AGREE THAT IT’S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR BEGINNERS, WHY DID YOU RECOMMEND IT 15 MINUTES AGO. And BTW, Theory of Poker will teach you a great deal about the game. About the only thing it WON’T teach you is the value of hands! I know you’re young…and you want to have your voice heard…but I’d strongly suggest you spend more time reading and less time writing on this board. More questions and fewer answers. I’ll even go out on a limb and suggest than in your real-world life, you should spend more time listening and less time talking. If my colleagues think this post is out of line, I’ll accept that judgment. But FUTR, I earnestly suggest to take my advice to heart --mk | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, shorn, 10. Sep 2003 10:44 | ||
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| Ronnie- I have to say, I am very impressed by your approach to learning the game and your recognition that there could be some holes. By and large, you are most likely ahead of 90% of the poker public in that regard. I have a few suggestions. First, buy Lee Jones "Winning Low Limit Holdem" and wear out the cover. In my opinion, there is no better teatise to the LL game than this text. Learn it and live it and you will be successful. In the meantime, I would try playing the same limits and restricting yourself to only Groups 1-4 for a while. After you find success with this, you can add in some of the 5-8 hands where appropriate (Lee Jones book will help you here). This may sound like a boring approach, but I am confident that you can be a consistent winner by playing a tight strategy. Additionally, make sure that when you do get a great hand you are playing it aggressively. Don't go verboard mind you, but make sure that if you have AA pre-flop and someone raises in front of you, make it 3 bets without even thinking. You need to try to limit the field a little bit and I have found that even loose players have trouble calling 3 bets cold. Another suggestion: if you get into a spot where you aren't sure what to do, fold. No harm can come from this early on. Playing a hand that you aren't sure about will guarantee that you don't play it well. So, avoid that decision. Onbe other thing...keep us posted as to your progress and ask as many questions as you can here and from other players you respect. You can NEVER learn this game completely. Good luck. Steve | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, Michael C, 10. Sep 2003 11:09 | ||
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| We fish must swim in the same pond. I did much the same thing except I tried HE at a live 3-6 and lost $300 - I hit the books and websites to learn more. At Paradise I can beat the heck out of the free money tables but lose on the money tables. So I stopped playing there. Lesson? When real money is at stake players play differently and are better. IMVHO - I think that table time is the only real teacher. Books and computer programs help a lot and are necessary, but not the same hard lessons as losing $100. Pratice makes perfect? on 10. Sep 2003 09:48 RonnieB wrote: > > Joined Paradise ... Advanced Players by Skalnsky and Malmuth. After reading these two books, I went > back to Paradise and turned my 400 into 4000. > | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, Risky Business, 10. Sep 2003 11:18 | ||
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| 1. Yes, way too many flops, unless you're getting unreal cards, in which case your betting patterns are horrible to lose that much money. 2. Yes, chasing too many draws. Just because you're quick to realize what your hand needed doesn't mean the math is there, or the $$, to chase it down. (you also need a read on your oppenents) 3. $60 at a $.50/$1 should be fine. 4. You should not be reading "Advanced" books, then running to the low limit tables expecting to win. Slow down, or even back up, and start your training again my young Padowan learner. 5. Most likely | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, Jav, 11. Sep 2003 13:15 | ||
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| Well I think you're on your way to becoming a good poker player. From your post, in my opinioin you are probably playing way too many hands. One of the most important things to learn is what hands pre-flop play well against many opponents, and what hands play well against few opponents. Then, based on your position, you can make the best decision based on your hand and your number of opponents. Another important thing is "tilt". Every poker player has to battle going on tilt after a bad-beat. (Or sometimes after correctly folding what turns out would have been a huge win.) I would be willing to bet that much of the money in poker winnings come from opponents being on tilt. You absolutely cannot afford to throw any money away because you're on tilt. I know it's hard, and it takes patience and time, but if you ever want to be a winning player you just have to learn to control this aspect of the game. With good pre-flop play and avoiding tilt I think you could be a break-even or slight winner at poker. Then you can work on your post-flop play, and become a consistent winner! Good luck, and keep posting and reading this forum, it will be a great help to you, I'm sure of it. | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, RonnieB, 11. Sep 2003 17:31 | ||
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| Thanks for taking the time to help. I have not been taking position into the picture. I record every hand I play and am now recording my position. If for no other reason than to reinforce the need. My limited experience agrees with yours. I use the play money tables similar to what you describe, practice. How strong are my pocket cards, what is the correct action, what are the nut hands after the flop, what hands to chase, etc. I have now added positonal consideration to the exercise. I will try to remember the tilting experience. My last few sessions have my flops seen percentage at around 35%. I am weak on pot odds because I am still weak on odds in general. Remembering the odds of drawing to a 4 flush, hitting a full house off two pair, etc. is a work in progress. I found Lee Jones book on Amazon and ordered it. I have heard good things from others. Thanks again for the input. Ron | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, chasepoker, 11. Sep 2003 17:45 | ||
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| I would also recomend you get Slansky Hold Em ( not the advanced version ) as well. I would also say that you should use the play money tables to just practice the mechanics of poker not the stragey. If you want a good way of learning the game for not much expense ( if you lose ) i would suggest the sit and go's online as you will get to see lots of hands and you stand a good chance of picking up some money at the end of it ! Read the good books, play a lot of hours and ask a lot of questions here ! I think you probably have the right attitude to do well but remember Rome wasnt built in a day. Good Luck Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, Michael C, 12. Sep 2003 07:49 | ||
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| Good advice - It took me years to master my day job. All the books on the subject will not give anyone the same experience as I have as database specialist. Of course, I read books and studied but it took actual experience. I think this is the same with poker. I am using my own advice in this area and I realize just a big win or two does not mean that I can maintain a positive per hour win rate. I am at about -5$ per hour, ouch. I need to find some softer games or get better faster. The 3-6 games at San Pablo, CA are not soft for my level of experience. | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, timmer, 15. Sep 2003 09:26 | ||
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| Fish , heres another hint DL all your real money hand histories and print them out two to a page on front and back (saves paper) now you have a hard copy of your and, as importantly, your opponents play. Study these histories intently and dont be afraid to write notes and draw arrows (and smilie faces). make note of hard facts about your opponents in the header space and put these notes in the note box next time you see them in the game. besides this occasionally post a history on the site here . its great fodder for lively discussion. And dont worry we will verbally beat the hell out of you for your misteaks. ;^) best of wishes timmer | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, RonnieB, 12. Sep 2003 09:16 | ||
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| Learning Hold'em is like peeling an onion, lots of layers. Layer 1 - Improve my knowledge. When I ordered Winning Low Limit Poker by Lee Jones, I ordered the Theory of Poker by Sklansky. I plan to spend a little time reading. I realize some of the concepts will be over my head initially but I am sure there will be some good information. Layer 2 - Pre-flop - Develop a tight strategy that is consistent and workable. Question - The suggestion to limit hands to 1-4 seems a little different with a suggestion to play 25-30%. 1-4 is 11% which seems very tight, 25-30 percent allows 1-6 and strong 7's. Hand Frequency as I understand it. 1 - 2% 2 - 2% 3 - 3% 4 - 4% ------------- 1-4 = 11% 5 - 7% 6 - 5% ------------ 1-6 = 23% 7 - 11% ------------ 7 = 34% 8 - 9% ------------- 1-8 = 44% All others = 56% The tighter I play, the lower my risk , but is there a point of diminishing returns. Any thoughts or suggestions? Layer 3 - After the flop - Develop a consistent strategy. This seems tougher because of the increased complexity. The other layers will come much later, 1-3 will need a lot of work first. Thanks for the input from everyone. Ron | ||
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| Hold'em Potential for Action is 9.9%, Harold Pierce, Jr., 14. Sep 2003 09:23 | ||
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| Hello Ron! You are not a fish, but a beginner. Fish are clueless creatures who never, ever learn and have no desire to learn. You are taking a rational approach to learning how to play Hold'em and to improving you playing skills. In "Winner's Guide to Texas Hold'em Poker", a really nice, an inexpensive book for beginners, Ken Warren gives his recommended, position-dependent starting hands on pp. 70-73. For early position seats (#1,2,and 3) there are only 7 hand types recommended. For middle position seats (#4,5.6 and 7)) there are 19 hand types listed, and for the last position seats (#8,9 and 10) there are 24 hand types are given. For the first time in this Forum for everbody to check out and criticize, I give the defination of the potential for action (PFA) as the probability of being dealt any playable hand (i.e., hands recommended by experts) expressed as a percentage. Mathematically, the PFA is not all that profound, but it grabs your attention, sounds really cool, is easy to remember, and has the word "action". And what do we all crave and seek out like an intrepid and reckless adventurer? Fast, hot and heavy "action", of course! Probabilities are decimal fractions and are usually difficult to remember, atleast for me.. I devised the PFA as parameter for assessing the earning potential of a variation of poker. OBviously, you want to play avariation that has the highest PFA. For Hold'em postion in extremely important and determines hand selection. Since we can't play all hands in any position, we have to take this into account when calculating the PFA. This position-dependent PFA is called the weighted-average PFA (WA-PFA). There are 169 two card hand types in Hold'em. Using the data given above, we can calculate the WA-PFA for a game with 10 players: WA-PFA = 4.14% x 0.3 + 11.2% x 0.4 + 14.2% x 0.3 = 9.9% Thus, you should play average 1 hand in 10 unless rule on roll. Experts, however, often differ on what is a playable hand. The PFA of 9.9% is tight play. Phill H.'s Top Ten has a PFA of 5.9%, but he is a NL player and has learned from experience that his Top Ten leads to consistent winning. The PFA for 7 card stud is 16.1% and for Razz, 10.1%. The PFA for 7 stud High-Low is of course 26.2%. However, Hold'em plays faster than stud and a correction would have to made for the hands played per hour. I'm tentatively calling this corrected PFA the PFA index, but don't have any actual field data from casinos for doing a calculation. Actually, I haven't figured how to do this yet. Any suggestion from you math whizzes? What do you guys think about these ideas? -=-MouseEars | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Potential for Action is 9.9%, Schuster, 14. Sep 2003 10:40 | ||
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| I think your PFA is really a function of the cost of the ante. The hands that have been recommended to play by experts are the hands strong enough to play that you will overcome the antes (blinds in this case) but are not too weak. If everyone had to ante half a small bet in addition to the blind structure, hold'em would become a much more action oriented game. As far as the PFA for stud games, that's really a faulty figure. You must tighten or loosen up depending on the ante greatly. If you're playing 10/20 stud with a 5 dollar ante, you will play more hands than if the ante is only 2 dollars. If you are going to pursue this PFA idea (which I do think is very interesting) then you do need to adjust it based on the antes for each stud game. Comparing the PFA to the cost to play one round of poker will probably yield some interesting results. It might be slightly harder with the bring in in stud, because as soon as you make the bring in, you can play a few more hands for only half a small bet more. I can't really think of a good solution off the top of my head, but if anything comes to me, I'll be sure to let you know. Good luck Mouse Ears! Lee | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Potential for Action is 9.9%, Harold Pierce, Jr., 14. Sep 2003 21:13 | ||
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| Before responding to your criticisms, I have to post a correction for the Texas Hold'em PFA. The correct PFA is 16.3%. When I was doing these calculations, I didn't include the 7 early position (EP) starting hands with middle position (MP) starting hands and likewise the EP and MP starting hands with the late position (LP) starting hands. In LP you have 50 starting hands available for consideration. I just counted up the number of hands, which were nicely displayed in the little boxes for each starting position, and I did the calculation on that number. A PFA of16.3% is certaintly much better and a more respectable value than 9.9%. Interstingly, it the same as that for 7 card stud. I'm calculating the PFA's for comparing two poker variations with comparable betting limits and the convenient qualifer "all other things being equal". I didn't consider or even think about to be honest, the effect the ante might have on the PFA since I'm a low limit player (bb less than $10 and more like in the $2-4 and $3-6 range.) In Hold'em with large blinds and ever increasing blinds such as in tournament play, the blinds will probably influence a players action. In fixed limit stud, the pooled antes are usually equal (or should be equal) to the small bet. I wouldn't play in a stud game where the antes in the initial pot are quite large in comparison to the bring-in and small bet as in your example unless the game was 7 stud high-low. In this game, the size of the bring-in and small bet have no influence on my action because I always play for low and start with three cards 7 or lower. If I don't have 4 to seven low or better by 5th street, I fold unless I have a chance to make a flush. In my college day during summer break I used to run a Friday night poker game with a 25 cent ante and a small bet of 25 cents and a big bet of 50 cents. Thus pot odds were 8 to 1 on an initial bet of 25 cents. An important proviso was a three raise limit per person per round. This game had lots of action and it wasn't unusal for the big winner to walk way with $50 to $100. I once won $120 in this game. Most of that money was from Mike "Murf the Surf" Murphy, a rich kid who was always trying to buy the pot. We gutted him so bad that he quit coming to my game. I think the number of hands played per hour is a more important factor than the antes and blinds on "the practical potential for action" Do you know how many hands per hr are played for Hold'em 7 stud high-low, and Omaha? I constructed a table with the PFA calculation for Texas Hold'em. If you would like a copy send your e-mail address to 74563.30@compuserve.com, my safe "numbered" e-mail box. I'm presently working on the PFA for Omaha 8 and will post the result shortly. -=-MouseEars $$$()_ .()$$$ $$$ \,/ $$$ | ||
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| Re: Hold'em Potential for Action is 9.9%, Schuster, 14. Sep 2003 21:59 | ||
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| Email has been sent. =) Lee | ||
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| Holde'em PFA: CORRECTION!!!, Harold Pierce, Jr., 14. Sep 2003 21:32 | ||
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| The correct value of the PFA for Texas Hold'em is 16.3%. See my reply to Schuster's post for explanation. -=-MouseEars | ||
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| Re: Hold'em PFA: CORRECTION!!!, RonnieB, 15. Sep 2003 09:49 | ||
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| Winning Low limit Hold'em by Lee Jones advocates 7.85% EP, 15.99%-18.10% MP(depending on players), and 22.62-28.05% LP(depending on players). This works out to 15.44%-18.01%(depending on players) PFA. Ron | ||
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| Re: Hold'em PFA: CORRECTION!!!, Michael C, 15. Sep 2003 10:09 | ||
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| Are *we* saying that for LL lee Jones' list is a good one to follow vs some others? I am still having some trouble ending the session winners. Up 100% half way through and down at the end. Need to plug some leaks. | ||
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| Re: Hold'em PFA: CORRECTION!!!, Harold Pierce, Jr., 16. Sep 2003 03:35 | ||
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| The most logical approach is to obtain a number of lists of recommeded starting hands and compare them to determine the starting hands that all of the experts agree upon. MouseEars | ||
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| Re: Hold'em PFA: CORRECTION!!!, Michael C, 16. Sep 2003 15:28 | ||
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| thanks - good advice. | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, WilliamS, 15. Sep 2003 06:38 | ||
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| Ronnie, I'm just going to restate what most everyone said; but the MOST important thing (IMO) is TIGHT preflop play. Imagine playing tight and then cut those hands in half; it will keep you out of a lot of trouble. After tight preflop play, I say (again IMO) position is next most important thing. I think position is the most overlooked aspect of poker by beginners. Once a player understands the value of cards, the value of position, and the correlation of the two the game becomes much easier and a lot more profitable. A lot of books stress these principles but hours and hours of real money play are the only way to get a true grasp of it (again IMO) I know this is kind of vague but you'll "get it" soon enough Will | ||
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| Re: Fish Needs Help, timmer, 15. Sep 2003 09:15 | ||
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| Fish, your probably tired of hearing this by now but Ill comment on you numerical list. What were the holes in my game? 1. Playing too many hands, I was seeing 65% flops. Yes I'd agree with this assessment. You can really afford to play quite tightly when you consider the size of the pots compared to the amount your putting in in blind money every orbit. 2. Chasing too many draws after the flop. I had trouble knowing when to say fold. Join the club , Bub. 3. Need a bigger bankroll. 200 to 300 times the big bet is required to weather the bad luck storm. Nah I don't necessarily think this is that good of an idea. You must be mentally prepared to lose 300 big bets . But if you have that problem of getting a bit tiltie, purchasing cyberchips with all of it at one time or site might be courting the big tiltie monster than can make mincemeat out of your steak (or stake) in one nightmare session 4. Lack of knowledge in terms of how to tell if I am playing poorly or getting bad luck. Again, welcome to the club. 5. Poor understanding of when to raise. Here's a hint if you got the nuts RAISE. If you don't know what the nuts are Quit. 6. I win around 20% of the better hands. Seems like silly advice but, only play the better hands. | ||
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| Re: Former Fish now beginer Needs Help, RonnieB, 15. Sep 2003 09:44 | ||
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| Thanks to everyone for the great help and suggestions. As you can see I no longer consider myself a fish, just a beginner. Your suggestion created numerous action items for me: 1. Buy and read Winning Low limit Hold'em by Lee Jones - Great suggestion. This is a better book for a beginner than the others I have read. It will take some study but I am on the way. 2. Develop pre-bet routine. This may sound funny, there may be another way to put it but what I need is a systematic way of dealing with each hand. This is routine to the better players but to someone new it needs to be developed and practiced. 3. Practice 4. Practice 5. Practice Thanks again for the help. Ron | ||
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