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 Tourney Question, SeanCandy, 10. Sep 2003 05:43 | ||
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| I recently played the Sahara's Sunday $40 buyin NLHE tourney... There were 83 contestants to start and at this point we are down to about 4 tables. Blinds are 300/600 I am in SB with 2900 left in my stack. I was pretty much the short stack at my table. It seemed like I was the only amateur at the table. OK...So a guy who had been on a rush of cards raises 1800 in mid early position...Folds around to me...I look down to see AJ. This is the best hand I have seen in several rounds. I feel I have to make a move now so I go all-in...With little debate he calls me and flips up AK...A hits the flop and its all over for me... My question is this...Should I have folded and waited for a better opportunity? I don't think calling would have been appropriate. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, sonic, 10. Sep 2003 06:03 | ||
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| On 10. Sep 2003 05:43 SeanCandy wrote: > I recently played the Sahara's Sunday $40 buyin NLHE tourney... > > There were 83 contestants to start and at this point we are down to about 4 > tables. Blinds are 300/600 I am in SB with 2900 left in my stack. I was pretty > much the short stack at my table. It seemed like I was the only amateur at the > table. > > OK...So a guy who had been on a rush of cards raises 1800 in mid early > position...Folds around to me...I look down to see AJ. This is the best hand I > have seen in several rounds. I feel I have to make a move now so I go don't play poker by feel. > all-in...With little debate he calls me and flips up AK...A hits the flop and > its all over for me... > > My question is this...Should I have folded and waited for a better opportunity? From that position the guy must have had something, something better than AJ. He wouldn't risk his stack so early with anything. I don't think calling would have been appropriate. > Agree. Folding would have been appropriate. You would have been in late position during the next few rounds, if you have folded. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, SeanCandy, 10. Sep 2003 07:45 | ||
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| Lesson has been learned...Its funny in a different tourney at the Luxor I made an early position raise with AK one caller went all in with his stack and it was heads up, he turned up AJ and a J hit the flop. I know I was a favorite in this situation, but I know things dont always work out. Its funny when I went all in with the AJ it had the same sensation of when you lock your keys in the car. I had also been thinking about the gap concept the whole tourney except the last hand...He effectively widenedthe gap on me with his raise and I for some reason didnt want to believe it... | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, Schuster, 11. Sep 2003 08:25 | ||
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| Comments are splashed around within. I hope everyone can keep track of who is being quoted! > > OK...So a guy who had been on a rush of cards raises 1800 in mid early > > position...Folds around to me...I look down to see AJ. You have to ask yourself what he is raising with that you want to be all in against. Best case scenario is he has AT and he's really reaching. Other than that, you're a dog. > >This is the best hand I have seen in several rounds. It doesn't matter. Each hand is independent of the next. You might have been dealt AA next hand, and it might be a rag hand. Evaluate each situation as it comes. > >I feel I have to make a move now so I go You don't have to make a move. You have enough for another 2 orbits if you fold. I really don't panic panic until I get less than 3 big blinds. > don't play poker by feel. I disagree with this. While you have to think about things analytically, sometimes (a lot of times) the only deciding factor is feel. A lot of times when I have a read on a person, I can't really explain why. It just kinda happens, and I've learned to trust it. > I don't think calling would have been appropriate. > > > Agree. Folding would have been appropriate. You would have been in late position > during the next few rounds, if you have folded. Meh, one could make a case for calling. If you decide that you are going to commit all your chips to this hand, he is going to call you before the flop if you go all in. If you just call and see the flop and then move in, it gives him a chance to fold what might be a better hand. He is likely to call, but give him a chance to let it go and give you the chips. Lee | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, shorn, 10. Sep 2003 06:09 | ||
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| Aj is a total trap hand in NL tourny poker. I looks so pretty, but agains a player who has come in for a riase from decent position, it is a definite loser. You still had enough chips for 3 more rounds of blinds, so I would have held off on this one. One thing to remember even as a short stack is that you want to be the initial agressor whenever possible in NL. This time, you reacted to his play. Also, since he was one of the larger stacks, he could "afford" to call you down without ruining his position. Challenge the average stacks when you can and avoid the small one's (who have given up hope) and the big one's (who have less fear of busting). Good luck. Steve | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, Mark, 10. Sep 2003 08:31 | ||
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| I don't like calling with AJ or JJ in no limit tournys. Both hands look stronger than they are. With your AJ at best you probably have 3 outs to an Ace, and if the opener has an Ace, it is most definately better than yours (as it happened). You should have waited for a better spot. Mark | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, noiseboy, 10. Sep 2003 09:52 | ||
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| In general, you don't want to be messing with a raised pot with hands like AJ or KQ in NL. If it's folded to you in late position, you might raise the pot yourself, but once someone raises, especially from early to mid position, it becomes too likely that your hand is "dominated". Dominated means when one hand has the other down to just a few outs, in this case there were only three cards (barring a freak str8 or flush) that would help you. If you are truly desperate, then yes, you might just decide to go with AJ and hope your opponent is on something like TT's or 99's where you are only a slight dog, but I don't think you were there yet. Just remember that when you start to get down to the felt, you'd much rather be the aggressor than having to face someone who has announced by raising that they have something. I'd rather have a crap hand like Ax when it is folded to me in LP than to play AJ in a raised pot. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, SeanCandy, 10. Sep 2003 10:03 | ||
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| Thanks for your replies... The hand is burned into my mind and is now on my list of things to not do. This was my first time playing in some of the weekly tournaments in Vegas. I feel it was a great learning experience and I am comitted to improving my game for the next outing. Thanks again, SC | ||
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| Re: Tourney Question, chasepoker, 10. Sep 2003 15:54 | ||
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| A few general responses before the play of the hand > It seemed like I was the only amateur at the > table. Whist being careful acknowledging who you think is a "good " player i would try to get out of the frame of mind that the people you are playing against are ' better ' than you. Be confident at the table they get the same amount of AA and 72o as you ! I always try to project a confident image at the table, whilst not boitsterous i am not going to be intimidated by someone's reputation or demeanour. >...I look down to see AJ. This is the best hand I > have seen in several rounds. I dont wish to sound like i am banging on but i would also try to get out of the habit of comparing your hand in relation to what you have had recently it makes no difference if you have had 72o for the past 10 hands you are still the same odds to make AA next and AJ is still a pretty poor hand to go all in with regardless of the past ! In answer to you how played your hand i would say that it was probably ( as you now know ) the wrong thing to do. You have plenty of time to pick a better spot than this i would only really have considered playing here with something like AK, JJ QQ KK or AA. Obviously this means that i am folding AQ here that one specific hand is just too likely to be dominated and so worth a mention i think. In a NL tournament you really should never, unless REALLY short stacked be calling all in with anything that you are not sure is better than 50-50 ( your AJ if you think about it is only hoping to see a pair TT or below to have even a 50-50 ). Also i can not remember the last time i called all in , apart from the real short stack situation, with anything worse than KK, okay maybe QQ if pressed, but IMO it is just not worth it. If you really did feel that the blinds were eating you up then go all in the next time it comes to you and no one has entered the pot that way you might just pick up the blinds as well ! Just some thoughts Chasepoker | ||
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