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 small & middle pocket pairs, Luvhum, 8. Sep 2003 15:50 | ||
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| my question is -is it profitable in the long term to call the flop if you do not get your set on the flop. | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, Schuster, 8. Sep 2003 16:27 | ||
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| If you cannot win without making your set on the turn or the river, then it is almost always not good to call. You need about 20 to 1 odds to try to spike your card, and then you have to be aware that hitting it might not always win. If you think your pair might be good, then that's another story, and depends greatly on the situation! If you're not sure, let it go and fight another day. Lee | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, MozMan, 8. Sep 2003 16:35 | ||
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| I like to use the general rule of "no set, no bet," however, if I'm last to act, the flop is messy (no draws, no big cards), and it's checked around to me, I will often bet at it, and in most cases take it down right there. Otherwise, I will usually fold to a bet (depending on opponents, game texture, etc.) -Moz "That man is a Brownie-hound." | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, INSINK, 8. Sep 2003 17:25 | ||
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| Hell no........ 66's are ok if you are mid to late postion betting.... 55, 44, 33, 22 are Ok in late to last position..... with any of these hands you have a 1 in 7 chance of winning the pot.....so short handed the odds get better.....without floping a "trip" it's ....NFL | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, 4 POKER, 9. Sep 2003 00:32 | ||
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| Hi, I think that "before" you decide to call any bets on the flop if you don't flop a set with your small pair (and even the medium ones sometimes), you need to think about, "should I even be calling a bet preflop with this hand?" Some things to consider would be: How high is the pair exactly, is it 3-3 or 8-8?.......how many players are in the pot?......what is your position?.......did you raise it coming in or did you call the raise? What does the flop read, and does it fit in good enough for your pair to continue? If you have 8-8 and you raise and get one or two callers; if the flop comes up with low cards, you can bet your hand with more ease; if it comes up with a bunch of overcards, then depending on who's in the pot with you and do you think you can win the pot with a bet, etc.etc., or would folding be in order now, must be taken into consideration as every hand is situational to many different things. Everything must be considered before you decide if you should call a bet preflop and/or, continue any further after the flop, but for me, I don't play small pairs up front or from middle position, and I don't call a raise with them either; unless I'm in the BB and it's only one bet to me with several opponents seeing the flop. But if I do call here, if the pair is small, it's no set no call, unless it will improve to a low straight like pocket 44's with a flop of 5-3-2 rainbow. (for example). Middle pocket pairs when played correctly and under the right situations, will be far more profitable than the really small ones. If you never called with 2-2 through 5-5 from a bad position, I really don't think that you'd be giving that much away, and you'd probaly be saving money. Maybe my thinking here is slightly on the conservative side, but in low limit games, I think it applies more. (just MO). 4P- on 8. Sep 2003 15:50 Luvhum wrote: > my question is -is it profitable in the long term to call the flop if you do not > get your set on the flop. | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, shorn, 9. Sep 2003 08:54 | ||
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| Not unless you have other draws or an overpair. You are a 23-1 dog to hit your set on the turn, so unless you are playing in some incredibly loose passive games, the odds won't be there. | ||
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| Re: small & middle pocket pairs, stdioh, 9. Sep 2003 11:13 | ||
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| No. If you don't have an overpair, in the *vast* majority of cases, follow the "no set = no bet" rule. | ||
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