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 Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Jav, 8. Sep 2003 10:23 | ||
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| I'd like a little feedback on the hand that busted me out of a NLHE tournament this weekend. I was playing in the $300 NL HE tournament at the Commerce Casino on Saturday night. ($100 + $20, with two optional $100 rebuys at any time. Each $100 got you 500 in chips). There were about 500 people, and first place was over $50,000. There were about 100 people left five hours into the tournament. I had just won a couple small pots, and was no longer in immediate danger of being blinded out but I was still short stacked. There were two large stacks at my table. (I don't think I was on a table all night where I didn't recognize someone from the WPT, talk about a tough lineup). I was dealt 10,10 in late position. One of the large stacks in MP limped in for T400. (I had about T3000, the large stack had about T15,000). I raised to T1200. The large blind called all-in for about T800, and the original bettor with the large stack then went all-in. I didn't want to call because I felt pocket 10's against two people was pretty chancy. But the big blind was in a desperate spot, and I felt he would have called with any ace, and two suited cards, any pocket pair, etc. I felt the large stack was going all-in to get me out of the pot (probably a good move). But over half my stack was in the pot, and with the antes being T50 and the blinds T200/T400, if I folded I only had a couple rounds before I would be blinded out. So after a lot of thinking I called. I think I was hoping they would both have an Ace. The large stack turned over A,Q, and the blind turned over K,9. A Queen came on the flop and I was out of the tournament. After thinking more about the hand, I'm not sure how I should have played it. Maybe I should have gone all-in pre-flop, but I had done that a couple times earlier and it may not have changed anything. I could have limped in as well, and then gotten away on the flop. I'd be grateful for any advice/comments. | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Easy E, 8. Sep 2003 10:57 | ||
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| I don't think going all-in first would have gotten the big stack with AQ out. Just a feeling. | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Bart Mann, 8. Sep 2003 11:38 | ||
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| I think my favorite aspect of this site is people posting stories like yours. Doing autopsies on previously played hands is probably the most valuable tool there is in this forum, because you can learn from what others do without spending your own money to do it. Now I climb off of my soap box . . . In your position, I think I would have done the same thing. You made a big play at a time when you were a statistical favorite--albeit not by much. If you had the opportunity to play the same hand 100 times in succession, you'd play it the exact same way every time and come out ahead. The bottom line is, you made the right call--you just got outdrawn. Unlike most of us who get busted out early, at least you can look yourself in the mirror and say "I played the hand correctly." Plus, there's nothing worse than letting the blinds eat you up. If you're going to go down, go down swinging! | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), verb2752, 8. Sep 2003 11:42 | ||
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| You might have limped in at $T400 to maybe see a cheap flop, the BB probably would have moved in for his last $800 anyway. If the MP player just called then you could have seen the flop for $800 and gotten away from the hand when the Q hit the flop. Just a thought..... Also, if you limped in and the BB went all in for T800, then the MP player re-raised to you, you could have gotten away there too. I am always wary of larger stacks who limp in early, sometimes they have some dangerous hands, especially when they have the chips to come over top of larger stacks when bet into. Good job at the tourney anyway, you did well to last that long against obviously tough competition. | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Stevolley2, 8. Sep 2003 12:07 | ||
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| I agree with verb, not getting into risk against the big stacks is very important and by calling preflop you do that. I though disagree with Easy E, that if Jav had gone all in the chip leader would/should have folded with AQ. Why risk tripling someone up with a mediocre hand like AQ, if you lose you now are the chip leader with someone else and lose a strategic advantage at your table. | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Jav, 8. Sep 2003 12:54 | ||
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| At the time I was thinking that with my bet I might win it right there, or if I was called I still had enough to maybe fold someone off on the flop. I think a single queen probably wasn't enough to get me to fold at that point since the pot was probably over 3x how much money I had left. After thinking some more, and reading everyone's posts I think that I made a reasonable decision. The T,T was also the best hand I had in the entire 5 hours of the tournament so far, and the average pre-flop bets were more than half my stack; so I had to do something... I did outlast many of the pro's that I recognized and Lou Diamond Phillups, lol. Thanks for everyone's opinions. | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), Jav, 8. Sep 2003 16:38 | ||
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| I should mention that Amir Vahedi was directly on my left for the first three hours of the tournament, so I felt I did fairly good considering! | ||
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| Re: Heavenly Hold'em Hand (long), stdioh, 9. Sep 2003 13:44 | ||
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| TT is a real cow when you're short stacked like you were there. The problem with it is that it is very hard to get all in against a worse pair or against a single overcard. Most of the time you'll find it against overcards, but sometimes it'll get totally squashed. Thus it is a hand you can be a giant bully with against small stacks, but if there are any players to act in the hand who can put you all in, it becomes hard to play. I think that limping in this situation would have been ok, since you can get away from the hand. Alternatively, shoving all in with it may have been ok too, though it is a large overbet, if you raise and then get put in you're going to call so you may as well give yourself a greater chance of stealing and taking away implied odds for hands like AK that you don't want calling you anyway. Since blinds are at 200-400 and you've only got 3000, I'd say that a push all in here would be the correct move. Folding wouldn't be a "mistake", though I think it is too tight. Limping again wouldn't be a :"mistake" but you could only limp if you know that your opponents won't thrash you for doing so by auto-stealraising. I'd be inclined to shove in with it though. Had you done that, A9 would have called you and AQ would have gotten out of your way. You'd be risking a small amount of your stack as a favourite heads up which is precisely what you want there. | ||
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