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 AQ with K on the Board, mkpoker, 6. Sep 2003 15:39 | ||
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| At a 3/6 table I raised from the cutoff with AQo and got 3 callers (the button, BB and one early limper). Flop was K83 rainbow. I planned to check-fold, figuring there was good chance any bettor held a K, but after two checks to me, I checked as did the button. The turn was a 6, putting no flush draw on the board and only remote straight draw prospects. 2 checks to me. I also checked as did the button a second time. River is a T. Again, two checks to me. This time I bet, thinking my AQ might be the best hand and/or I might cause a player with low pair to muck. 2 folds, and one of the previous checkers calls. He turns over QT, and won the small pot with the pair made on the river. Looking back, I'm wondering if I should have bet the turn, or even the flop (after my pre-flop raise) to avoid giving free cards (and possibly driving out smaller pairs). Having chosen not to do that, I wonder if I should have checked the river instead, rather than getting aggressive late. What do you think? I feel as though my game is quite solid when I've got good hands; my weakness is playing small pots like this when it's harder to tell where you stand. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, INSINK, 6. Sep 2003 15:56 | ||
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| I would have fired out with a bet ( or raised ).........to see where you stand.....you limped in with the other limpers, who checked........fire out , make people think you have pocket K's! on 6. Sep 2003 15:39 mkpoker wrote: > At a 3/6 table I raised from the cutoff with AQo and got 3 callers (the button, > BB and one early limper). Flop was K83 rainbow. I planned to check-fold, > figuring there was good chance any bettor held a K, but after two checks to me, > I checked as did the button. > > The turn was a 6, putting no flush draw on the board and only remote straight > draw prospects. 2 checks to me. I also checked as did the button a second > time. > > River is a T. Again, two checks to me. This time I bet, thinking my AQ might > be the best hand and/or I might cause a player with low pair to muck. 2 folds, > and one of the previous checkers calls. He turns over QT, and won the small pot > with the pair made on the river. > > Looking back, I'm wondering if I should have bet the turn, or even the flop > (after my pre-flop raise) to avoid giving free cards (and possibly driving out > smaller pairs). Having chosen not to do that, I wonder if I should have checked > the river instead, rather than getting aggressive late. > > What do you think? I feel as though my game is quite solid when I've got good > hands; my weakness is playing small pots like this when it's harder to tell > where you stand. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Formless, 6. Sep 2003 17:13 | ||
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| I would bet the flop because the board is perfect for a (semi) bluff. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Roy Cooke, 6. Sep 2003 20:13 | ||
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| Unless I am up against players who pay off very loosely, I would bet the flop and probably the turn depending on my feel for the flop action.....If you pre-flop raise it is hard for an aware opponent to call you down with less than kings after you have pre-flop raised.! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 6. Sep 2003 15:39 mkpoker wrote: > At a 3/6 table I raised from the cutoff with AQo and got 3 callers (the button, > BB and one early limper). Flop was K83 rainbow. I planned to check-fold, > figuring there was good chance any bettor held a K, but after two checks to me, > I checked as did the button. > > The turn was a 6, putting no flush draw on the board and only remote straight > draw prospects. 2 checks to me. I also checked as did the button a second > time. > > River is a T. Again, two checks to me. This time I bet, thinking my AQ might > be the best hand and/or I might cause a player with low pair to muck. 2 folds, > and one of the previous checkers calls. He turns over QT, and won the small pot > with the pair made on the river. > > Looking back, I'm wondering if I should have bet the turn, or even the flop > (after my pre-flop raise) to avoid giving free cards (and possibly driving out > smaller pairs). Having chosen not to do that, I wonder if I should have checked > the river instead, rather than getting aggressive late. > > What do you think? I feel as though my game is quite solid when I've got good > hands; my weakness is playing small pots like this when it's harder to tell > where you stand. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Charles Kincy, 7. Sep 2003 12:20 | ||
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| What do you do in the case where one of the players is likely to call all the way with a pair of 3s? Further, what's a general strategy for a game where people are reasonably tight before the flop, but won't give up if they make anything? This is a game condition I've confronted a lot lately, but I don't really have any answers for. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Roy Cooke, 8. Sep 2003 07:35 | ||
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| As I stated in the previous post....I would only bet if my opponents were not loose callers.....If they were I would take a free card! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 7. Sep 2003 12:20 Charles Kincy wrote: > What do you do in the case where one of the players is likely to call all the way with a > pair of 3s? > > Further, what's a general strategy for a game where people are reasonably tight before > the flop, but won't give up if they make anything? This is a game condition I've > confronted a lot lately, but I don't really have any answers for. | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Mark Gregorich, 6. Sep 2003 20:25 | ||
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| This is a good flop to follow up on your preflop aggression with a bet. There isn't much in the way of draws out there, so you will likely win the pot immediately if no one has a king. Also, there is a good chance you have the best hand here, so don't give a free card. You may even get an opponent to fold a small pocket pair with a bet here. Just because you get called on the flop doesn't mean checking the turn is necessarily wrong, either. Lots of players will "take one off" here with small pairs or even ace high. If you bet again, they may assume you do in fact have the king, and release their hands. This is a "feel" type situation, as some tight opponents would just call on the flop with a K and marginal kicker, and if you know you're up against this type of opponent you may want to put the brakes on. On the river, I would definitely check. You will most likely get called only by hands that beat you, so it is pointless to bet this hand for value (thinking its the best hand.) It also is pointless to bet it as a bluff, because at this point in the hand, you'll probably be called by any pair, since you've shown a great deal of weakness on the flop and turn. Mark | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, 4 POKER, 7. Sep 2003 00:38 | ||
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| I'm taking aggression with that flop; especially after the first two opponents check it to me and there's only one player behind me. Your pre-flop raise would be a good reason to put in a bet on the flop, as the board was not coordinated at all, and if noone holds a king, they might just relinquish their hand right there. If you do bet the flop and get called, that is where knowing your opponen/s well will come more into factor on whether or not you should proceed to bet if they check it to you again. Heads up.....I might bet it again, and if I get called on the turn, I don't think I would try to bet the river again if I didn't improve, because at this point, after calling your bets on the flop and the turn, he would be likely to also call a bet on the river even if he has just a small pair. Take the initiative on the flop and see what happens. There was enough in there to make the attempt anyway, but not too much where someone might peel off another card. 4P- | ||
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| Re: AQ with K on the Board, Brian462, 8. Sep 2003 13:49 | ||
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| I don't think I have nearly the experience nor the qualifications of the above posters but I am going to have to respectfully disagree as it pertains to low limit games. I think that while you may have won that hand or a couple similar hands I think that in the long run ie 1000 identical hands betting is not a profitable move. My reasoning is that by raising preflop you have probably weeded out most incredibly weak hands but perhaps not somebody with a pocket pair or K flush draw. In my limited experience in most low limits games neither player there is going to fold. Also I think any player with a K will stay around and let you bet for them either calling at the end or then betting once you check. You are also going to run into the player with the second or third pair who will also hang around. AQ definently has a +EV and should be played aggressively but like AK I see a lot of players through away that +EV buy not letting it go when you don't hit. If anything I think betting when you don't hit has a very slight EV and thus you wont lose a lot by letting it go. I would say this is especially true for a new player like myself who does not have the "feel' of some of the more experience posters. On a side not I may be overlooking the hidden value of betting and getting called down on the river with nothing but AQ in that it may cause you opponets to stay in longer when you do have a hand. But I just haven't played enough to discuss this aspect of the play correctly. | ||
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