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 Professional advice for a rookie, cantfoldem, 5. Sep 2003 16:47 | ||
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| I`ve been brushing up on my math skills. But I am terrible with ratio`s and was wondering how you pro`s do it? Do you memorize the odds for every conceivable Hold`em draw with multiple outs and back-door flush/straight possibilities? Do you make exact calculations or estimates while playing? Do you think in fractions or ratios or decimals or percents or outs? Do you use a calculator?(ha ha) What's easiest or the best way, I guess is my point here. Running out of fingers and toes please advise and thanks. | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, Angel, 5. Sep 2003 18:17 | ||
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| on 5. Sep 2003 16:47 cantfoldem wrote: > Do you memorize the odds for every conceivable Hold`em draw with multiple outs and back-door flush/straight possibilities? No...but after being faced with the same math problem for the 263,790,374,122,503rd time - you just sort of remember :-) > Do you make exact calculations or estimates while playing? IWhen calculations are needed, estimates are acceptable. > Do you think in fractions or ratios or decimals or percents or outs? Usually in terms of outs and percentages. > Do you use a calculator?(ha ha) When I first started - to make a sheet I could carry around with me that told me, for instance, that if I had 1 out on the flop that the chance of making my hand to the river was 4.3% - 2 outs was 8.4% etc > > What's easiest or the best way, I guess is my point here. > Running out of fingers and toes please advise and thanks. Probably the best way is to be prepared. Luck is for the ill-prepared. | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, Piers Majestyk, 5. Sep 2003 18:46 | ||
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| a loose general means to compute your % chance to win the pot is multiply the number of outs (you think you have anyway) by 4. Ex. If you have J10 and flop is KQ2 disregarding suits you have 8 outs to make your hand thus roughly 32% or 68% to miss, a rough 1:2 ratio. Hope that helps some. | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, cantfoldem, 5. Sep 2003 23:14 | ||
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| Thanks thats very helpful. | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, 4 POKER, 5. Sep 2003 22:06 | ||
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| 'Ya look at the pot....if it looks big enough, you call! (LOL)!......geez, what's so hard about that! | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, cantfoldem, 5. Sep 2003 23:16 | ||
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| Thats what i was thinkin when i wrote the original post. | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, Michael C, 15. Sep 2003 11:29 | ||
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| I count the number of players that see the flop - if 7-8 see the flop and it has been raised - I figure that I have the pot odds (11-1) for an inside st8 all the way to the river. I will call a raise on the turn for a flush or an outside st8 with that pot size. When most people fold and I am against 2 or 3 I need a lot bigger pot to continue with. I give up a lot of my draws when it gets heads up. But, my advice is based on a short track record - may not be the best. This is a good paper on the number of outs you need...the fewer players the more outs. http://www.posev.com/poker/holdem/strategy/outs-abdul.html | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, Mark Gregorich, 5. Sep 2003 23:42 | ||
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| At some point in my development as a player I have sat down and done some number crunching- since I play a lot of omaha 8 or better, I did the math on making low draws, seeing how important it was to have a backup low card, and that sort of stuff. I found doing this myself to be rather eye opening. I did the same with hold'em situations - making a flush when I flop a flush draw, how often I will make the flush and win when I know a set is out there, how often I will flop a pair with any two cards, etc... In the midst of the action, I generally have a ballpark figure in my head that I can apply to most situations. I don't have exact numbers memorized, for the most part (perhaps this is an area I could improve?). I do feel like I have a pretty good handle on the math of the game, though, and I believe that it is tough to win at poker without a good working knowledge of the basic odds which underlie many of your decisions. Mark | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, cantfoldem, 6. Sep 2003 15:12 | ||
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| Thanks for the help | ||
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| Re: Professional advice for a rookie, Michael C, 15. Sep 2003 12:36 | ||
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| I think the math or the odds become very important with the extremes. Like chasing an inside st8 with a small pot and 2 players is a bad play - terrible odds - IMHO. I chaised an inside (needed a 10) when the pot was huge and the guy yelled at me when I hit it. I said something like 'pots odds' and he said something like I rasied it to get a big pot - I think that I rasied the flop to get more money in it. (bad move?). | ||
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