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 Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Machinegun68, 5. Sep 2003 14:05 | ||
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| I always play KX suited in late position in low limit hold 'em. This is pretty much the lowest hand I will enter pots with, although I may play K9 or KT offsuit on the button or in the blinds. Two times yesterday I flopped a flush draw with KX suited, hit that flush draw, and was beaten in LARGE pots by AX of the same suit. A third time I held KsKd only to see the board flop four spades. I'm still OK, right? Wrong. As2c kills that hot hand. Oh yeah, it was the same loose-goose player to lay all three of those bad flush beats on me. Should I abandon the play of KX suited, especially K(2-8) suited and the like? Have I been playing too loosely? What are some thoughts on playing KX suited, especially K-baby suited? | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Eihli, 5. Sep 2003 14:18 | ||
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| I'll only do it from the small blind. Maybe K9/KT from late position if there are a lot of people in front of me. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Brian462, 5. Sep 2003 14:25 | ||
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| I recently stopped playing Kx suited because I felt like I was constantely drawing only never to get the flush. My reasoning now is that if I am going to draw I want to atleast have assurance that absent the boat I am taking down the pot. I also didn't like how I could never bet or raise with it aggresively when I do have the flush. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Jav, 5. Sep 2003 14:48 | ||
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| I wouldn't play less than K,10s. And I wouldn't play that unless I was in late position and there were already several limpers ahead of me. (Or I was the first to enter the pot, but then I'd probably raise with it). | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, INSINK, 5. Sep 2003 15:17 | ||
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| Tough call.....KX suited can be a sucker hand.......I play tight and aggresive, so I would fold that hand in the early position 75 % of the time..........maybe play it short handed ...no more than 3 way | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Blue Sky, 5. Sep 2003 15:19 | ||
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| Hey, I just joined this forum and saw this post and thought I would add my 2 cents worth. In LL Hold'em as long there has been no raise in front of you and there are at least 3 callers ahead of you, you should always play Kxs. That being said you must be in LMP or later to call with this hand to ensure that there are enough callers to justify the call. You must view this hand as a flop it or fold it hand. If you flop four to the 2nd nut flush push it hard and make a ton of money when you get there. In your example of someone having the nut flush, those are the breaks of the game and it unfortunately happens, but don't quite playing these hands. Totally against what the other posters replied to this thread, I play qx's and jx's and all suited connectors down to around 54s from LP if there are enough callers. These are hands where you get in cheap and get out quick if you miss. Although there are many types of players of this crazy game I have always thought that there are three types of flush players. 1. The idiots - any two suited - usually call to the river (never raise) and then are embarssed to show their flush. IE 103s or 63s. 2. The "I had" whispers - As soon as the board shows two to their flush they lean over and tell the person next to them that they folded the 2nd nut flush draw when they would of gotten in cheap and made a huge profit. 3. WInning players - They get in cheap when the opportunity presents itself, they make great decisions based on the flop, their odds, and their reads of the other players. They bet their draws when its right and they stack alot of chips when they win. What type of flush player do you want to be? | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Piers Majestyk, 5. Sep 2003 16:18 | ||
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| In my opinion you should dump these hands preflop. You're not going to hit your flush or flush draw often with these hands and when you do you aren't drawing to the nuts. More often you hit a flop like K72 with your K8 and get sucked into losing a few more bets to me with AK. These hands are trouble and if you don't have the discipline to know your beat on the above flop and muck they are even more trouble. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, Andrew W, 5. Sep 2003 20:03 | ||
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| True story: I'm in a low buyin SNG at PartyPoker - I know, stop right there, the story writes itself. I get in with K10 of diamonds. Flop - 3 5 7 diamonds. Wow. got my flush. some idiot on 46 diamonds or someone with ace may have me. Let's bet and see.... I bet into it. Callers and folders, no raisers. Hmm, maybe someone with the ace only waiting for a 4-on-board flush. Turn: 9 spades - no help to someone holding the ace without suited match. I bet - 3 callers, one folds. River - another diamond. Great, the Ace out there has me. Guy ahead of me bets - I call, what with the pot odds and all. Next spot folds. Next raises. Original bettor now re-raises. OK, I have to figure one of them has the Ace. Could be one nutcase, but 2? I lay down and save what's left of my chip stack, pot odds be damned, I need to survive the tourney and I KNOW I'm beat. Except I wasn't. Moron 1 (bettor and reraiser) shows a J. Raiser shows a Q. I laid down the best hand on the river when all I needed to do was call 2 more bets. I congratulated myself for my poker smarts for getting out there, as hard as it was. Then I saw their cards and lost my ability for rational thought. (Much like the 58offsuit that cold called a raise preflop and beat my KJ 2 pair with a flush) I have mulled this hand more than any other in a month. I conclude: Kx suited is a recipe for uncertainty and heartbreak. The times you win with it dont make up for the times you lose to the Ace high, or the times you lose your mind, like my example. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on playing KX suited?, dan, 5. Sep 2003 23:19 | ||
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| This reminds me of my day today at Lucky Chacnces asthe woman to my right hit eight flushes in two+ hours...and never had a card higher than 10 during any of those hits. Heck, her last three hands were 2s5s, 2c4c, and 2s3s. Unbelievable. Of course, she lost every dollar of those winnings raising into a Full house Aces w/ a smaller fuller house. Twice... Hope you get the nuts on the next guy who plays Kxs... | ||
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