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 When do you know when to leave?, Dr_Monkey, 5. Sep 2003 08:31 | ||
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| Looking for a discussion on what others do to decide when they should leave a table? Do you set a target for loss and profit and play until you hit that number? Do you play until you feel your game won't make a difference? Do you play for a set time or number of hands? I have a sneaky feeling that I might be leaving the table to early sometimes. Some sessions I will get good cards after only a few hands and take down a decent pot. I'll have a $5 profit for 5 minutes of playing. When the BB comes back to me, I often get up and leave. Last night I sat at a 1/2 limit game. I only brought $23 with me, was bummed out after losing 2 $10 SnGs. I played a hand in the SB after everyone fold to me. My A 10o which made a str8 on the river lost to his QJo that flopped a boat. I accepted the fact that I should have folded when he raised my flop bet. I failed to connect QQJ as a probable boat. I didn't go on tilt and waited for good cards. Few hands later I get KK, I raise an early raiser, and it is capped with I think 2 others seeing the flop. Very low cards. I have a feeling that I will only lose to pocket aces. I end up winning a $40 pot against AJo and AQo. This table was aggresive at all, hardly any preflop raising. I watch 8 hands waiting for the BB when I started. Early players weren't playing cards that I thought were solid. I felt this table was beatable. When the BB came around, I left. But I wondered if I should have stayed. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Angel, 5. Sep 2003 08:36 | ||
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| on 5. Sep 2003 08:31 Dr_Monkey wrote: > Do you set a target for loss and profit and play until you hit that number? I set a loss limit. No win limit. If the game is good I stay - period. > Do you play until you feel your game won't make a difference? Not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate? > Do you play for a set time or number of hands? No. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Dr_Monkey, 5. Sep 2003 08:46 | ||
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| > > Do you play until you feel your game won't make a difference? > > Not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate? You realize you are playing solid poker but your opponents are beating you because they are getting miricale cards on the river or your opponents are solid also and are just getting better cards. Your game isn't making a difference, you are playing the best you can. You aren't playing solid poker. You are on tilt or just too loose. You realize it but you can't get yourself to play solid poker. Lack of concentration. Getting bored. You could be winning or losing. Does how you are playing tell you when you should get up? | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Angel, 5. Sep 2003 08:52 | ||
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| on 5. Sep 2003 08:46 Dr_Monkey wrote: > You realize you are playing solid poker but your opponents are beating you because they are getting miricale cards on the river or your opponents are solid also and are just getting better cards. Your game isn't making a difference, you are playing the best you can." If I am playing solid poker I stay. That said, if they are catching miracle cards to beat me - I really want to stay - because if I'm suffering bad beats - they are playing poorly and that's a game I want to be in. "> You aren't playing solid poker. You are on tilt or just too loose. You realize it but you can't get yourself to play solid poker. Lack of concentration. Getting bored. You could be winning or losing." RUN!!!!!!!!!! Get out of the game NOW. Better yet, get out of the game 10 minutes ago. > > Does how you are playing tell you when you should get up? Yes, if I'm playing good - I stay. If I were not playing good - I would leave. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, shorn, 5. Sep 2003 08:50 | ||
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| I try to follow Roy West's advice on this. I set a time limit of let's say 8 hours total playing. Then, half way through i guve myslef a checkup to see if I am still playing the way I know I can/should. I do the same at six hours. At the eight hour point, up or down, game good or not, I get up and leave. I have found that 8 hours is the maximum I can consistently play at a high level. If I can't answer the question that I am playing well at 4 or 6 hours, I get up and leave too. There is nothing that can potentially destroy your bankroll more than playing too long. It leads to bad decisions at the table whether you are ahead or behind. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Brett LeMarinel, 5. Sep 2003 08:50 | ||
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| I would agree with Angel here. I usually will set a loss limit (usually 1/2 my buy in) and never a win limit. If I stay in a game it is because I "feel" the game is good. BY good, meaning, I am one of few people I "feel" are at an advantage to the rest of the players. If I feel good, and I am up more than Id hoped, why would I leave then? I tend to leave when one of three things happens. 1) Hit my loss limit (although if I feel the game is especially good and I have caught a run of bad beats I may stay) 2) I have become tired and am no longer playing at 100% 3) The game has gone bad for me. Meaning that what I felt good about the game has changed. Maybe a couple weak players have busted and been replaced by some players who are very strong, or I "feel" I am not getting a good read on the other players and they have a good read on me. Basically, if the game is good, I feel good, then I am there, regardless of $$ swings. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, jaustin, 5. Sep 2003 08:51 | ||
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| > Do you set a target for loss and profit and play until you hit that number? Ditto with Angel, if I'm winning I keep playing but set a loss limit. I feel that my concentration can get thrown off by big losses. > Do you play for a set time or number of hands? I set a time limit (usually base it around a meal break). If I play too long my game goes down due to being tired, hungry, etc. Of course, if the game is just bleeding cash I'll stay a bit longer as I can win at less than 100% concentration, but I never play more than 8 consecutive hours. Basically, as long as you feel you have an advantage then keep playing (assuming you have no other commitments). Hope this helps. | ||
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| Follow up to setting a loss limit, Dr_Monkey, 5. Sep 2003 09:03 | ||
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| For those of you who set a loss limit, do you move the loss limit up once you are winning? Say you come to the table with $50, your loss is $25. You are playing well and now have $75. Will you move you loss limit up to $50 now? If you were willing to give up $25 as a sign that it was time to leave, having $75 and lossing $25 should be a same sign??? But this way you lost $25 but your bankroll hasn't changed. | ||
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| Re: Follow up to setting a loss limit, jaustin, 5. Sep 2003 09:11 | ||
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| My loss limit is generally realated to my initial buy-in, so yes in the sense that if I win $25 my limit is now $25 higher. However, if I get on a really hot streak, I usually take money off the table (in my mind at least) and base my loss limit on what I have left (i.e. sit down with $200, set loss limit of $100. Go on a tear and win $300. Set $200 aside, so my current loss limit would be $200). | ||
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| Re: Follow up to setting a loss limit, Angel, 5. Sep 2003 09:14 | ||
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| I don't move around my loss limit, but there are other factors that might make it appear so. For instance, let's I have a loss limit of $1000 in a game and am off to an early win of say, $1500. If I suffer a couple of bad beats and find myself only $500 winner a short time later, I may quit - but not because I moved my loss limit - but because I may consider that the $1000 swing has affected my mental state adversly. Also, if I am coming off a loss, I may take a small win if I start to backslide at all, strictly for the psychological benefits. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Nathaniel Brous, 5. Sep 2003 09:23 | ||
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| Avoid hard set rules in poker. That said...let me contradict myself. 1. Leave when you have lost enough to bother you. (If you are bothered, you are no longer playing with a clear mind) 2. Leave the game when you "know" you are outclassed. (being up or down should not matter) (sure you can learn by playing with better players...but you can also observe a game without the risk) 3. Leave the game if there is a more profitable game elsewhere. (a good game can become tough with the exchange of player(s) ) 4. Leave the game if you need your "A" game to compete on this table and you no longer possess it. (honesty is required: tired, hungry, bored, anxious, etc.) 5. Leave the game if you are overly concerned about losing your profit. (at this point...you are no longer playing excellent poker, so you might as well book a win, rather than become a self-fulfilling prophecy) -Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, 4 POKER, 5. Sep 2003 22:24 | ||
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| As long as I'm really looking to foward to playing, and my focus is completely in tune with the game, than I'll sit there as long as the game is a good game for me. Whether I'm winning a certain amount, or losing a certain amount, it doesn't really effect me that much....as long as I still think that I'm fresh, alert, and have not strayed from any of my good poker habits, I'll continue to play. But for me.......after six or seven hours at a poker table tends to tire me out too much, so sometimes my sessions may be cut short when in all actuality I probably should keep playing, ie; the game is great, I'm really playing an "A" game, and I'm reading my opponents better than usual, etc. etc......BUT, (at least for myself)....when I get tired, I also get bored of poker and will lose the focus and the desire that is soooo needed to make great decisions.....so if it means leaving at my peak ($)......than so be it. I only play when I feel that all of my edges are in tact, and would never want to play anything but the best game that I'm capable of playing. 4P- | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Swagman, 5. Sep 2003 23:05 | ||
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| When the ATM has an OUT OF ORDER sign on it. | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, 4 POKER, 5. Sep 2003 23:08 | ||
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| Oh yeah, that too......lol!! Did I leave that one out? | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, MozMan, 6. Sep 2003 11:40 | ||
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| Sometimes I am limited on time and MUST leave by a specific time; which can really suck. Mostly, tho, my bankroll can handle extended play, so I base leaving on 1) I've run out of cash on hand (that hasn't happened in ages) and simply CAN'T play anymore, or 2) I am unable to play anymore for some external reason (too tired, tilt, etc...) Last night was a good example. I sat down at a 3/6 table with enough cash in my pocket to play for about 24 hours. After about 6 hours of play, I found myself on serious tilt because of a couple of fish who were on a run and were catching runner-runner miracle draws hand after hand to screw everyone at the table. Normally, this doesn't bother me because I know eventually their luck will give and I will have my opportunities to take the money back, but I was getting very tired and recognized that I could not fight off the tilt any more. I decided that my most profitable move would be to go home, have a nice, restful day today, and go fishing again tonight to make it back up. -Moz "You can't conquer the world with a shoddy olive." | ||
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| Re: When do you know when to leave?, Pedro, 7. Sep 2003 21:32 | ||
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| I believe that you should leave when you start playing off your game cause of previous hands. I don' t think it should be a predetermined number of hands, however if you have lost the amount of money you limited yourself too you should leave. Most players go on tilt when they have a few losses and believe they will make it back cause they are owed this. Poker has nothing to do with destiny nor is anything owed to you. You will get bad beats and you have to understand that if you are able to play each hand the right way you never have to leave a table. But msot of us are human and tilt will occur. I recomend that if anger is a factor at any point of your game get up and leave and take your mind off the game. Come backl another time with a clear mind. | ||
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