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 Folding preflop, osucbj04, 4. Sep 2003 01:11 | ||
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| I'm going to use pokerstars' tournament setup as the basis of my question. Round 1 is $10/20 blinds no ante everyone starts with $1500. My theory is to play every hand (barring any raises) when the blinds are so low. Reasons are as follows: For $20 (1/75th of your stack) I think it is worth the gamble to get a little lucky. Lets say you have 8-5 off. For $20 you could get a flop like 5-5-8, 6-7-k, q-8-2; all of which will pay off. Most of the time when you get either of the latter flops (when you are on a draw) the turn/river will be cheap or even free. Sure, they won't happen often but you can hit once in a round (about 10 hands) and easily pay back the times you didn't. Flops like 10-10-8 are perfect semi-bluff bets where you can steal the pot you never should have been in. This also tells the table I am a loose player (first impression). Later, when I limit my play to specific hands I seem to get called with hands that make me wonder why they called me. It is my guess they didn't put me on much because I'm in a lot of hands. They seem to not believe that I've tripped which limits my bluffing but I seem to get payed off a lot on my good hands. Please let me know what you think. I'm talking about playing 9-2, k-3, 10-5. I'm sure you are all going to tell me that in the long run I will lose by playing those hands but rather than just tell me that please try to find where in my logic I went blind. Maybe this strategy can work against subpar players but I will get eaten alive by better players? Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Folding preflop, Flatout_Mainiac, 4. Sep 2003 04:50 | ||
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| i actually play tighter early in tourney's so i can't give you any input on how successful your strategy can be in the long run. I do think it is a good play when you take opportunity to advertise a play style to the table for cheap money and use it to your benefit in later rounds. | ||
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| Re: Folding preflop, shorn, 4. Sep 2003 05:05 | ||
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| I agree with your logic to some degree, but taking it to the point where you are playing Q2o ore 92o is just a waste in my mind (I also assume this is a limit tourny because doing this in NL would be even worse). My reasoning is this: The point of the tournament ALWAYS is to survive and build your stack so that when you get near the bubble, you can have a stack significant enough to become more aggressive, make the final table, the final 3, and then hopefully win. Surviving (IMO) means protecting your chips early without premium cards. So, employing your strategy, you are potentially bleeding away chips that will be worth a lot more to you to USE when you do have a premium/nut hand. Sure, you might get extremely lucky and flop a big hand here and there, but they will be few and far between. Also, since you are playing uncoordinated cards, if you flop a big hand, you have to ask yourself what else will be out there to pay off? Take the Q2 example...say you flop Q72 for two pair. Unless there are two flush cards on the board or you are lucky enough to be playing against AQ or someone who will call you down with a gutshot str8, you won't make a lot of $$ anyway. I think the best way to employ (sort of) your strategy (in limit tourny's ONLY) is to play hands like JT or Axs in the first round slightly out of position (and this is assuming that the table is passive). Those are the types of marginal hands that can turn into monsters with the right flop and will also likely have others in there to pay you off. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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| Re: Folding preflop, Jav, 4. Sep 2003 10:04 | ||
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| That's basically gambling. Yes you'll get lucky and build some big stacks early in a tournament, but you'll also more frequently find yourself with a small stack just when the blinds start being larger. I think it's okay to loosen up a little and limp in with good drawing hands in good position early in a tournament. But you don't want to take the concept too far. If you start paying for every hand you get, you're going to be in trouble. You'll also find that you hit a lot of flops if you play every hand. With weak starting hands, you'll end up winning some small pots, but you might also end up losing some big ones. These hands can really cripple you. You might hit your two pair with 10,2o and think you're good. Then the board will pair, and someone with pocket A,10 or pocket J's has you out of the tournament. | ||
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