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 know when to hold em know when to fold em, Don Hayes, 3. Sep 2003 10:00 | ||
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| I am thinking the biggest hole in my game is chasing when I am beat and don't know it can't accept it. When playing with guys that will go to the river with the betting capped with 44 and 36o how do you know when to make a tough laydown? I was in a hand with JJ I raise the guy next to me and the guy next to him had raise it clicked boom its three bets next guy caps two others cold call I call. ( looking back I am thinking I should have folded right there any comments). flop comes J47 rainbow. I bet raise raise I call three bets to go turn is 9 still four people in pot is huge I am thinking hoo-ya come to pappa. bet raise fold fold I reraise called river is 5. I bet get reraised I am thinking bluff? What could he have not a straight no flush call he shows straight wins 25 dollar pot. Bad beat or bad judgment? Then I am steaming go watch tv instead of giving money away. | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, Risky Business, 3. Sep 2003 10:13 | ||
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| I may be giving too much money away when playing maniacs, but I don't raise when in hands with 'those' people. Even though I may allow someone to catch up, I let the cards fall until I'm very close to the nuts, then hammer them. It still comes down to knowing your opponents. In truth, I leave the wild tables now before I get stung too hard, but my comments are based on how I used to handle it, which seemed like I wasn't maximizing profits, so I decided to leave. on 3. Sep 2003 10:00 Don Hayes wrote: > I am thinking the biggest hole in my game is chasing when I am beat and don't > know it can't accept it. When playing with guys that will go to the river with > the betting capped with 44 and 36o how do you know when to make a tough laydown? > I was in a hand with JJ I raise the guy next to me and the guy next to him had > raise it clicked boom its three bets next guy caps two others cold call I call. > ( looking back I am thinking I should have folded right there any comments). > flop comes J47 rainbow. I bet raise raise I call three bets to go turn is 9 > still four people in pot is huge I am thinking hoo-ya come to pappa. bet raise > fold fold I reraise called river is 5. I bet get reraised > I am thinking bluff? What could he have not a straight no flush call he shows > straight wins 25 dollar pot. Bad beat or bad judgment? Then I am steaming go > watch tv instead of giving money away. | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, shorn, 3. Sep 2003 11:04 | ||
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| So he had 68 for the str8 Or was it 8T? Anyway, I think in this particular case, you played it fine. You just got sucked out on in the hand. I would think that the others were on AA or KK and thought their overpair was good. My advice...keep playing how you are playing and the money will come your way. This was just a really bad beat that if you play long enough (and continue to play correctly), you will experience 30-50 times again in the next few years. | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, Dr_Monkey, 3. Sep 2003 11:53 | ||
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| Here's the flip side, if he missed his str8 and you take down the $25 pot, you probably would have though, "Why on earth would that guy be in a pot with a 68 where the pre flop betting was capped?" | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, Don Hayes, 3. Sep 2003 21:20 | ||
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| on 3. Sep 2003 11:53 Dr_Monkey wrote: > Here's the flip side, if he missed his str8 and you take down the $25 pot, you > probably would have though, "Why on earth would that guy be in a pot with a 68 where > the pre flop betting was capped?" > > That is precisely what I thought when he showed his cards I was like you called all those raised with 68 I wouldn't even start that hand on the button with no raises in. Don | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, DJpoker, 3. Sep 2003 22:29 | ||
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| > > That is precisely what I thought when he showed his cards I was like you called all > those raised with 68 I wouldn't even start that hand on the button with no raises in. > Don Don, Memorize that guy's face and hunt him down every time you walk into the B&M. He is your lotto ticket. I was playing a 8-16 kill pot the other day and got AK suited in MP so I bumped to 2 bets and got two callers (one was the kill button person). Flop is 10 - 7 - 2. EP checked so I bet out to show strength and get two calls. I figure at worst someone has an under pair. Turn flops the K and now i figure I'm good (2 diamonds were on the board). River makes the board 10-7-2-K-J (no flush). Now I'm thinking maybe straight and kill button from EP bets out when J hits. Crap what did he catch, but he is a notorious bluffer. I feel compelled to call, although I probably should have known better. LP calls as well. EP flips over J-7 offsuit for 2 pair and then LP flips over 9-8 off for straight. I go from 1st to 3rd in a heartbeat and drop a $180 pot. I was a little steamed, but I will play with those guys all day long. Good luck out there, DJpoker | ||
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| Re: know when to hold em know when to fold em, stdioh, 3. Sep 2003 12:31 | ||
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| Well, on the flop you were holding the mortal nuts. You know that if you don't tighten up there will be the potential for a better hand by the river. You're right to bet the damn hell out of the flop and turn because you're a money favourite to tighten up *and* you're holding top set - so go nuts with it. When the river card comes, you may as well just check and call. After all, what was the guy calling all those bets with? He must have been drawing to something...if he makes his hand you'll be in for 2 bets and if he didn't you won't get one more out of him. I think a check here is correct. Nonetheless, when this crap happens there is nothing you can do about it. It is the cost of doing business ... remember too that if this sort of thing didn't happen poker would turn into chess and you wouldn't get these jokers coming back to the tables time and time again. | ||
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