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 can some one(multiple bet,call,raise ), helly, 2. Sep 2003 06:25 | ||
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| I have tried to find out more i am trying more i am getting confused please help me to understand this stuff now I am really confused about ... BETTING STRUCTURE PROBLEM (NOT YET ANSWERED) ----------------------------------------------- Please see the game logs below which I copied while playing at Texas Holdem table of paradisepoker.com. What I am not able to understand here is that ON WHAT BASIS THE PLAYERS CAN BE REASKED FOR BET(CALL or RAISE) WITHIN THE SAME BET ROUND. See the text marked with # where the bet is repeated and kindly make me clear why it happens so and what conditions/rules in poker game cause it ? In some games (see game log 3)i have watched that players are being asked for call bet for more than one time in the same bet round and sometimes there are mulitple raises within the same bet rounds. What is the difference in them (if any). In such scenarios when a betting round is supposed to be completed and moves ahead to next round? Thanks In anticipation again GAME LOG1: »Dealer: Starting a new hand... »Dealer: mmmm11 posts the small blind »Dealer: Whoompf posts the big blind »Dealer: ** DEALING POCKETS ** »Dealer: RickSr calls »Dealer: CraigFire raises »Dealer: mmmm11 raises »Dealer: Whoompf calls »Dealer: RickSr calls # »Dealer: CraigFire raises # »Dealer: Betting is capped »Dealer: mmmm11 calls # »Dealer: Whoompf calls # »Dealer: RickSr calls # »Dealer: ** DEALING FLOP ** »Dealer: mmmm11 checks »Dealer: Whoompf checks »Dealer: RickSr checks »Dealer: CraigFire bets »Dealer: mmmm11 raises »Dealer: Whoompf calls »Dealer: RickSr calls »Dealer: CraigFire raises # »Dealer: mmmm11 calls # »Dealer: Whoompf, it's your turn. »Dealer: Whoompf calls # »Dealer: RickSr calls # »Dealer: ** DEALING TURN ** »Dealer: mmmm11 checks »Dealer: Whoompf checks »Dealer: RickSr checks »Dealer: CraigFire bets »Dealer: mmmm11 raises »Dealer: Whoompf calls »Dealer: RickSr calls »Dealer: CraigFire raises # »Dealer: mmmm11 calls # »Dealer: Whoompf calls # »Dealer: RickSr calls # »Dealer: ** DEALING RIVER ** »Dealer: mmmm11 checks »Dealer: Whoompf checks »Dealer: RickSr checks »Dealer: CraigFire checks »Dealer: mmmm11 shows a pair of threes »Dealer: Whoompf shows a straight, ace to five »Dealer: RickSr mucks »#353,683,364: Whoompf wins (156 play chips) with a straight, ace to five »Dealer: CraigFire mucks GAME LOG 2: »Dealer: Starting a new hand... »Dealer: CraigFire posts the small blind »Dealer: mmmm11 posts the big blind »Dealer: ** DEALING POCKETS ** »Dealer: RickSr raises »Dealer: CraigFire calls »Dealer: ** DEALING FLOP ** »Dealer: CraigFire checks »Dealer: mmmm11 checks »Dealer: RickSr bets »Dealer: CraigFire calls »Dealer: mmmm11 calls »Dealer: ** DEALING TURN ** »Dealer: CraigFire checks »Dealer: mmmm11 checks »Dealer: RickSr bets »Dealer: CraigFire calls »Dealer: ** DEALING RIVER ** »Dealer: CraigFire bets »Dealer: mmmm11 calls »Dealer: RickSr raises »Dealer: CraigFire raises # »Dealer: mmmm11 folds # »Dealer: RickSr calls # »Dealer: CraigFire shows a pair of sixes »Dealer: RickSr shows three of a kind, eights »#353,683,752: RickSr wins (87 play chips) with three of a kind, eights Game Log 3: ( 1 on 1 game played at Paradisepoker.com ) »Dealer: Starting a new hand... »Dealer: dzea posts the small blind »Dealer: dm11 posts the big blind »Dealer: ** DEALING POCKETS ** »Dealer: dzea calls »Dealer: dm11 checks »Dealer: ** DEALING FLOP ** »Dealer: dm11 checks »Dealer: dzea checks »Dealer: ** DEALING TURN ** »Dealer: dm11 checks »Dealer: dzea checks »Dealer: ** DEALING RIVER ** »Dealer: dm11 bets »Dealer: dzea raises »Dealer: dm11 raises # »Dealer: dzea raises # »Dealer: dm11 raises # »Dealer: dzea raises # »Dealer: Betting is capped »Dealer: dm11 calls # »Dealer: dzea shows a straight, ace to five | ||
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| Re: can some one(multiple bet,call,raise ), Easy E, 2. Sep 2003 07:30 | ||
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| on 2. Sep 2003 06:25 helly wrote: > I have tried to find out more i am trying more i am getting confused please > help me to understand this stuff now I am really confused about ... > > BETTING STRUCTURE PROBLEM (NOT YET ANSWERED) > ----------------------------------------------- > Please see the game logs below which I copied while playing at Texas Holdem > table of paradisepoker.com. What I am not able to understand here is that ON > WHAT BASIS THE PLAYERS CAN BE REASKED FOR BET(CALL or RAISE) WITHIN THE SAME > BET ROUND. EVERY time that you are in front of a bet or raise, you have to make a decision about calling when it gets BACK around the table for you. This is true for EVERY betting round. Therefore, if you are H in this lineup at a table: A C H W Z .... and A bets, C raises pre-flop- you decide whether to call 2 bets, or fold, or reraise yourself. If you call, then Z reraises (W calls) and A calls (C folds), you now have to decide whether to call ANOTHER bet (because of the extra raise Z put in). If you call, and now W reraises (capping the betting on this round ONLY, assuming there is a 3-raise cap rule in effect), everyone else at the table, INCLUDING YOU, has to decide whether to call the last raise from W or not. Basically what it comes down to: Is there a bet or raise that can travel around the table BACK to me, that is a higher total amount than I already put into the pot? If so, I have to put in the difference to stay in. Walk through your examples below with this in mind- see if you can trace through. It might be easier to substitue bet amounts for "call" and "raise" I'll do the first one for you: > GAME LOG1: (I'm making this a $5/10 game, with $2 and $5 blinds) > > »Dealer: Starting a new hand... > »Dealer: mmmm11 posts the small blind ($2) > »Dealer: Whoompf posts the big blind ($5) > > »Dealer: ** DEALING POCKETS ** > »Dealer: RickSr calls $5 (the BB amount makes this the highest total to call so far > »Dealer: CraigFire raises to $10 (puts in $10) > »Dealer: mmmm11 reraises to $15 (added $13 to their $2 small blind) > »Dealer: Whoompf calls $15 (added $10 to their big blind) > »Dealer: RickSr calls $15 (puts in $10 more) > »Dealer: CraigFire raises to $20 (adds $10 to their original raise) > »Dealer: Betting is capped - because this was the 3rd raise, evidently. > »Dealer: mmmm11 calls $20 (adds $5 to previous total) > »Dealer: Whoompf calls $20 (adds $5 to previous total) > »Dealer: RickSr calls $20 (adds $5 to previous total) So, each player that remained put in a total of $20 each. At each decision point, they had to bring up their bet totals to at least whatever the highest bet total was. The AMOUNTS that they put in, on each circle around the table, varied of course. > > »Dealer: ** DEALING FLOP ** > »Dealer: mmmm11 checks > »Dealer: Whoompf checks > »Dealer: RickSr checks > »Dealer: CraigFire bets $5 (puts in $5) > »Dealer: mmmm11 raises to $10 (puts in $10) > »Dealer: Whoompf calls $10 (puts in $10) > »Dealer: RickSr calls $10 (puts in $10) > »Dealer: CraigFire raises $5 to $15 (puts in $10- $5 to call the raise, $5 more to reraise) > »Dealer: mmmm11 calls $15 (puts $5 more in) > »Dealer: Whoompf, it's your turn. > »Dealer: Whoompf calls $15 (puts $5 more in) > »Dealer: RickSr calls $15 Everyone in has put in $15 total. (and so on) >In such scenarios when a betting round is supposed to be completed and > moves ahead to next round? The current betting round is not closed until one of two things happen: a) everyone at the table that is still in has called (not reraised) the highest bet total b) the "max raise" cap has been hit. Ranges from 3-5 raises. ONE EXCEPTION- often there is a heads-up, unlimited raise rule. Usually (but not always) it states that, if only 2 people are in the hand at the start of any particular betting round, they can reraise each other until the cows come home... or until they run out of the money that they have on the table. Hope that clears it up for you | ||
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| Re: can some one(multiple bet,call,raise ), stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 08:27 | ||
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| The betting round continues until one of the following cases is met: 1) There is only one player who has not folded 2) All other players have called one player's bet without raising/re-raising it 3) The cap has been reached and all players have called it or folded. The pathalogical case follows. Lets say your cap is 5 bets and there are three players. Player 1 flops to set, player 2 flops a nut flush draw, and player 3 flops middle set. Player 1 bets, player 2 calls, player 3 raises, Player 1 reraises (3-bets), Player 2 cold calls 2 (which might be a bad call but leave that aside for now), Player 3 4-bets, Player 1 5-bets, Player 2 calls, Player 3 calls. | ||
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| Re: can some one(multiple bet,call,raise ), kennycatkiller, 2. Sep 2003 10:04 | ||
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| Although your query was somewhat confusing, maybe I can help. It is fundamental that on every round, every player who proceeds to the next round (i.e., flop, turn, river) must have invested the same amount of chips/money (ignoring the situation when one or more players is "all-in). So, regardless of how many bets you have called, you must, when the action gets back around to you, either call all the raises which have happened since you last called, raise, or fold. This is true each and every time the action comes back to you. Hope this helps you. KEN_HONEST | ||
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