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 Don't play too high, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 05:37 | ||
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| I consider myself to be a decent poker player; nothing special mind you, but good enough to win consistently in games up to 10/20 online and at the B&M. Why is this so? Because I feel confident and comfortable up to those limits and am never nervous about playing them. So why have I been a marginal winner at best over the past few years? Because I have a bad tendency to play higher games when I feel flush or overconfident which generally happens after a good run at the levels at which I am comfortable. In these higher games (up to 30/60), I feel nervous, the amounts start to bother me, and I know I am not one of the best at the table. It is the allure of huge pots and big wins that has drawn me though, and it has ended up destroying a lot of the solid work on my bankroll achieved at the lower limits. I am writing this hoping to make one point: There is nothing wrong with beating the same level consistently. This is not to say that if you see a really soft lineup in a game that you think your bankroll can afford that you should never try it. Just be careful to play most of your poker at levels where: 1. You feel you have an advantage over the competition 2. The amount of money being wagered never makes you feel uncomfortable OR has a drastic effect on your life 3. Your bankroll can withstand the bad run of cards that we all experience at every level. Don't make the same mistakes I have and erase a lot of your winnings because of it. Stick to what you know and choose to excel there. Steve | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, Roy Cooke, 2. Sep 2003 08:21 | ||
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| Hi Steve Excellent post and a leak in MANY very good players........I agree with what you state........That said, if you never take shots higher....you will never grow your poker game.....Often, it takes experience at a given task to acquire comfort...........The first time I played 5-10 I was shaking :-). Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 2. Sep 2003 05:37 shorn wrote: > I consider myself to be a decent poker player; nothing special mind you, but > good enough to win consistently in games up to 10/20 online and at the B&M. Why > is this so? Because I feel confident and comfortable up to those limits and am > never nervous about playing them. > > So why have I been a marginal winner at best over the past few years? Because > I have a bad tendency to play higher games when I feel flush or overconfident > which generally happens after a good run at the levels at which I am > comfortable. In these higher games (up to 30/60), I feel nervous, the amounts > start to bother me, and I know I am not one of the best at the table. It is the > allure of huge pots and big wins that has drawn me though, and it has ended up > destroying a lot of the solid work on my bankroll achieved at the lower > limits. > > I am writing this hoping to make one point: There is nothing wrong with > beating the same level consistently. This is not to say that if you see a > really soft lineup in a game that you think your bankroll can afford that you > should never try it. Just be careful to play most of your poker at levels > where: > > 1. You feel you have an advantage over the competition > 2. The amount of money being wagered never makes you feel uncomfortable OR has > a drastic effect on your life > 3. Your bankroll can withstand the bad run of cards that we all experience at > every level. > > Don't make the same mistakes I have and erase a lot of your winnings because of > it. Stick to what you know and choose to excel there. > > Steve | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 08:30 | ||
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| Indeed. I'm a fan of playing at my level all the time, but that is more a guideline than a rule. When I'm sitting at my regular 10-20 game and a fishing spree opens up next door at the 20-40, I look around at my table. If I see a table full of old faces - guys I can scrape out some money against, but nothing too prime, I'll join the 20-40 list and take my shot. The difference is that the instant things aren't *absolutely spectacular* at the 20-40, I'm back to 10-20 land. Maybe when I get a little better and build more of a roll for myself (it would help if I had a day job that paid me some real coin) I'll be able to play the 20-40 regularly and start taking pot shots at the 30-60. | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 08:53 | ||
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| Roy- I agree that there are times to take a shot and move up to a higher limit. Perhaps a better way of saying it would have been don't do it unless you are confident that you are ready to do so AND (maybe more importantly), have the bankroll to do so. Unfortunately, I have moved up with neither in place and have (predictably) paid the price. Thanks for your input. Steve | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, Easy E, 2. Sep 2003 12:15 | ||
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| on 2. Sep 2003 08:53 shorn wrote: >.. don't do it unless you are confident that you are > ready to do so AND (maybe more importantly), have the bankroll to do so. Steve, you don't need the BANKROLL to do so, just enough of a SESSION AMOUNT to take a shot at that higher level, in order to get more comfortable with it. | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 12:20 | ||
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| I am not sure I agree with that. If I have $600 in my pocket which represents my bankroll, I could sit in a 15-30 game with a decent buy-in of 20 BB's. However, if I lose it all then where am I? Now, if that $600 is part of $4000, then that is a different story. All I am saying is that make sure you are comfortable enough to play CORRECTLY when you move up. To me, that means having the adequate total bankroll to do so. | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, Easy E, 2. Sep 2003 21:06 | ||
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| on 2. Sep 2003 12:20 shorn wrote: > I am not sure I agree with that. If I have $600 in my pocket which represents my bankroll, I could > sit in a 15-30 game with a decent buy-in of 20 BB's. However, if I lose it all then where am I? Sitting there having blown your bankroll, instead of a session amount (like, say $600 out of $8K > Now, if that $600 is part of $4000, then that is a different story. > > All I am saying is that make sure you are comfortable enough to play CORRECTLY when you move up. > To me, that means having the adequate total bankroll to do so. You misunderstood me- I wasn't talking about MOVING up, I was talking about taking a SHOT at a higher level- consider it a write off investment in learning more about the next level. I agree with your "need bigger bankroll to withstand swings at higher level" concept. | ||
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| Re: Don't play too high, timmer, 2. Sep 2003 09:43 | ||
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| I think the key is to limit your play to those games your psychological bankroll can handle. but be willing to press those limits when you are reasonably sure that the over all expectancy is high. Or you can make a basic plan and stick to it. | ||
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