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 mechanic on the table?, sonic, 2. Sep 2003 00:16 | ||
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| I've Played few times in a home game where I think there's card manipulation going'on. I'm positively sure that I can detect dealing bottoms and seconds, but is there a way to beat the cut. And I also am 100%sure there is no way the deck to be cut has somekind of force in it (twisted card in the middle or a bridge) in this case. But i still think that acertain player when as a dealer has an ability to neutralize the cut. He has a nice shuffling technic, and He get too good hands too often when it is he's turn to do the deal. Im not sure if im going to say my doubts outloud because I win. But Imust confess that concentrating on the possible con has an negative affect on my game of course. Comments please! Am I against a true sleight of hand artist??? | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, 4 POKER, 2. Sep 2003 00:23 | ||
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| If you're playing in a home game where you are 100% positive that someone is fixing the deck in ANY way......that's cheating and eventually you will lose. You may be winning right now, but......if someone was actually doing this, wouldn't it make more sense to let you win in the beginning? I don't know what is going on in your game but going by what you are saying.......being *certain* of this type of wrong doing is something that you should be wanting to avoid. Quit that game before it turns ugly. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, Skeeter011, 2. Sep 2003 05:55 | ||
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| I agree with 4 Poker there are many games that you can find to play. You should only play games that make you feel comfortable. Otherwise if you keep playing in that game, just keep your eye open for signs between players and watch for the mechanics grip. If you feel real confident stand up and say something. | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 06:24 | ||
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| If it is only one guy doing it, then your best bet (assuming you want to continue to play) is to fold all hands when he is dealing except those that you think can overcome his actions. If the game is overall profitable for you, and you can neutralize this one player's effect and still be profitable all other times, then I would say keep your mouth shut and fold all his deals. | ||
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| One possible variation, Easy E, 2. Sep 2003 07:44 | ||
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| Fold LOUDLY. As long as you are sure that it is only the dealer involved, and if you care about the integrity of the game at all (if they are all strangers and you don't care about them except to keep them coming to take their money), you could try this: "I'm folding this big pair. Jerry is just going to get another winner here". that should shake them up some... | ||
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| Re: One possible variation, Risky Business, 2. Sep 2003 07:54 | ||
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| "I'm folding, I'd hate to break Jerry's string of 8 consecutive winning hands while dealing" on 2. Sep 2003 07:44 Easy E wrote: > Fold LOUDLY. As long as you are sure that it is only the dealer involved, and if you care about the integrity of the game at all (if they are all strangers and you don't care about them except to keep them coming to take their money), you could try this: > > "I'm folding this big pair. Jerry is just going to get another winner here". > > that should shake them up some... | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 08:41 | ||
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| There is a real problem with that one. You're killing yourself here. If you fold everything but the very best hands to him and he's playing honestly then you're losing a lot fo EV. If you do that and he's playing dishonestly then you're going to find yourself with quad aces betting everything only to run into a straight flush. You're better off just finding another game and if you can't then just play online until you can. | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 08:40 | ||
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| As a relatively paranoid person (and what poker player isn't), I have to deal with suspicions like this all the time. The simple solution is to play in cardrooms with cameras and real dealers and quit the homegames. As for your 100%'s. How are you 100% sure the guy isn't dealing seconds? I've seen it done so well that I couln't tell when I knew what to look for. Same with dealing the bottom of the deck. If he's really good you can't see it - otherwise he wouldn't be able to do it. All that said, what kind of money are you playing for? If the guy is a really accomplished cheat then he'll only be hanging around the really juicy games. If you're playing in a 40-80 game or something like that then you should watch out, but if this is a little 5-10, chances are that nothing is amiss...the risk reward ratio isn't there for a cheater. All of that said, I've been there. I would often play at a local speakeasy in a tournament once a month and that was all good. Afterwards they spread a 3-6 full of some of the fishiest players you'd ever see...though it's nigh impossible to make money at a 3-6. I wouldn't play in it for a number of reasons. 1) I can make more money off my regular 10-20 at the casino so it isn't worth my time. 2) The dealer they had for that game was artistic with his dealing to the point of there being a bunch of cards flying around, him tossing them very fast with both hands off the top of the deck and who knows from where else. 3) Every time I sat in the game I had some really horrible luck and got my ass handed to me, $100 at a time. So I decided that it wasn't for me. Were they cheating? Extremely doubtful. But the point is that my paranoia had been set off and it unglued me. I knew that I couldn't play solid poker when I was looking at the dealer the whole time. There was no money in it for me if the game was on the level and I stood to be a consistent loser if it wasn't. So I moved on, not voicing my concerns. I don't even bother to play the tourneys anymore. Sure I'll end up in a 25 person tourney against 4 opponents who are good and all 5 of us will usually be the last 5, so in that respect there is some money in it, but it kills an entire afternoon. The hourly rate in it is lousy. So yeah...he's probably not cheating, but if he is, there's no reason to say anything. If you don't like what is going on, find yourself another game. | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, kennycatkiller, 2. Sep 2003 10:22 | ||
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| Why worry about it? Just dis-invite the suspected mechanic for future games. | ||
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| Re: mechanic on the table?, gary ford, 2. Sep 2003 20:43 | ||
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| Quit the game!! NOW!!! | ||
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