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 Siegfried & Roy agony, Double Down, 1. Sep 2003 16:33 | ||
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| I played Hold'em for 6 hours today at Mohegan Sun. Got pocket queens(Siegfried & Roy) 4 times! Lost every hand. I played them as if I had pocket aces, aggressive betting and that still didnt help. I even had them on the button once. Played them soft in mid position. It was actually quite amusing the fourth time, I was ready to muck pre-flop. | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, 4 POKER, 1. Sep 2003 17:44 | ||
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| on 1. Sep 2003 16:33 Double Down wrote: > I played Hold'em for 6 hours today at Mohegan Sun. Got pocket queens(Siegfried & > Roy) 4 times! Lost every hand. I played them as if I had pocket aces, aggressive > betting and that still didnt help. I even had them on the button once. Played > them soft in mid position. > It was actually quite amusing the fourth time, I was ready to muck pre-flop. Hey Double Down, While holding Q-Q is a very good hand.......they shouldn't be played post-flop as if you held A-A. Raising and re-raising with them pre-flop is the best way to play the hand as you A) have a very strong hand, and B) Although your hand is strong, you really are looking to knock out as many players as possible there so players who hold AX and even KX will have to pay a high price if they want to see the flop. But once you do all that you can do pre-flop, once the flop comes up, if there's a King and/or an Ace on the flop and you notice that players are betting, raising or even just calling you.......you can't assume that your Q-Q is still the best hand anymore. It might be, but it still is a hand that should proceed with caution if and when the flop doesn't favor you anymore. As far as you soft-playing the hand pre-flop.......I disagree with that type of play......even if you were a little gun shy about the hand now 'cause you kept losing with it........the hand should still be played aggresively so it has a chance at holding up. Especially if you're referring to limit hold-em. Now you didn't say that you took any bad beats.......but you may have overplayed your hand after the flop perhaps?..........don't know. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 11:30 | ||
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| Yikes. When you have QQ and you raise them that's great. You want to chase out opponents. You can't expect to always win with them though. If you flop an ace or king, you're throwing them away then and there against any real action. QQ is a nice hand to see once in a while, but it isn't something I salivate for. AA 4 times in one session would be nice, but QQ 4 times is forgettable. Don't ever limp with them though...that is the kiss of death as you're inviting in garbage players with A8 and K7. | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 11:34 | ||
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| stdioh- What if you are in MP with 4 or 5 callers already? I think that limping there is sometimes superior in that you haven't committed the extra 1/2 big bet and in an Ace flops and no Queen flops, you can get away from it more cheaply. Granted, if the three folks behind you are automatic folds, it may be worth it to get the button, but with that many callers already, I treat QQ as I would 88 or 99...get in cheaply and don't commit any more chips unless you flop an overpair or a set. Thoughts? Steve | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, Schuster, 2. Sep 2003 14:19 | ||
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| I think that QQ will hold up often enough against random limping hands that it's worth it to get extra bets in before the flop. Sure, you've lost 1 more small if an ace or king comes, but you've gotten 5 or 6 more small bets into the pot if it doesnt. Get money into the pot while you're a favorite to win it and let it go when things turn sour. Lee | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, Jav, 2. Sep 2003 15:51 | ||
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| You still want to get the blinds out. You want to make sure you do your best to get out the freak 2-pairs that can happen as well. You also might fold off one of the EP players who limped in. And worse case you pump up the pot in case you do get a flop that you like. | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, stdioh, 3. Sep 2003 16:05 | ||
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| You might play it that way, but I think you should still try to thin the field as much as possible. If you flop an overpair, which is more than likely, you'll want to be up against as few opponents as possible to limit the number of draws against you. | ||
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| Re: Siegfried & Roy agony, gary ford, 2. Sep 2003 20:37 | ||
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| Love the S&R analogy | ||
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