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 Missed Bets?, JaggedEj, 1. Sep 2003 15:14 | ||
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| JJ in late position. Very loose table, Most everyone seeing the flop. I raise preflop hoping to gain control of the hand. about 7 see the flop Flops J 5 5. Everyone checks to me. I got control of the hand but I don't want it! I wanted someone to bet out for me of course. I bet for value and got check called to the turn by only 1 person. And the last guy folded to my bet on the river. I guess my question is whether I should have checked after that flop. It just seemed too suspicious to check, being the pre flop raise AND everyone checking to me. Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, PairTheBoard, 1. Sep 2003 18:10 | ||
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| Some players get agressive after seeing checks around on the flop. They may put you on AK and try to represent a 5, especially if they catch a pair on the turn or have a pocket pair. Against such agressive opponents a check could be good. On the other hand, some players will be afraid of the trip 5's from the blinds or loose limpers and be happy to check it all the way, but will call bets by you, putting you on AK. I would bet it most of the time and check some ot the time. jmo | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, EC, 1. Sep 2003 21:23 | ||
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| Nothing scares people off more than a paired flop. I would have checked along, knowing that they would likely put you on AK or pocket pairs lower than JJ. People won't find it too suspicious if you look as scared as them of the 55, and if someone has a 5 they will assume you're beatable. On the turn someone will likely take a stab at it, or you'll find that someone wasn't betting their trips. Either way, depending on the # of callers at that point I'd either raise then or keep slowplaying and save my raise for the river; it's all situational though. That being said, you probably didn't miss much $, since it didn't sound like anyone had a thing worth betting. Eli on 1. Sep 2003 15:14 JaggedEj wrote: > JJ in late position. Very loose table, Most everyone seeing the flop. > I raise preflop hoping to gain control of the hand. about 7 see the flop > > Flops J 5 5. > Everyone checks to me. I got control of the hand but I don't want it! I wanted > someone to bet out for me of course. > > I bet for value and got check called to the turn by only 1 person. And the last > guy folded to my bet on the river. > > I guess my question is whether I should have checked after that flop. > It just seemed too suspicious to check, being the pre flop raise AND everyone > checking to me. > > Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, sonic, 1. Sep 2003 23:34 | ||
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| I think I would have checked. still 7 players against u and in practise they had no chance to catch a better hand than your fullhouse. So, some of them might think you missed the flop and try to bluff you on the turn or the river, or if the turn comes with a 10,Q or K, or some flush possibilities, somebody would have bet on that case also, perhaps. my point is:You'd still win the same money or more if you would have checked. | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, Phish, 2. Sep 2003 10:03 | ||
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| Checking would NOT have seemed suspicious. If you had a hand like AK, and you're up against 6 opponents, it is very likely that one of them would have a J or a 5. A check in that situation would be prudent. In your case, a check would have told your opponents you had AK or so. And you give your opponents a chance to catch something on the turn. | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, WilliamS, 2. Sep 2003 10:38 | ||
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| Jagged, I've been struggling with this concept too. My last 3 or 4 situations where I raised KK AA QQ or JJ and then flopped a full house I went ahead and bet out and each time it was folded to me. It is so frustrating to flop a monster and then not gain any substantial money from it, but I think it is the proper move in SOME games. My thinking is this: if an opponent has flopped trips you WILL get paid; if an opponent reads your bet as an overcard draw you MIGHT get paid; and if neither happens you probably aren't going to win much anyway (meaning your opponents totally missed and don't have an overcard draw or a pocket pair), Like I said, I've struggled with this too and will continue to experiment and find other alternatives to these situations. Will | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 11:32 | ||
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| I think you could have checked the flop there. When you raise preflop on the button and get checked to and then check, people put you on AK and they'll attack that flop themselves. Right now you're hoping a queen, a suited card, or a straight draw hits the board to bring some people along. You're in no danger now so you can let somebody else improve to a second best hand. When somebody bets the turn, you can call or raise depending on the position of the bettor and the number of callers. | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, shorn, 2. Sep 2003 11:39 | ||
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| I would have checked the flop and potentially the turn as well. No one in that pot has anything unless someone has a 5 and they are looking to checkraise you on the flop. So, check along and hopefully someone will represent a 5 on the turn or better yet maybe an Ace will come on the turn potentially giving someone a pair and maybe a 4 flush as well. The point is... from the action you described it is highly unlikely that you will be outdrawn on this hand save for perhaps the case 5 (if that happens, then cest' la vie) because it is unlikely that an Ace, King or Queen will give someone a higher boat. So, the only way to extract money is to let someone catch up a bit. Since you have nothing to fear, why not give it a shot. | ||
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| Re: Missed Bets?, JaggedEj, 2. Sep 2003 12:59 | ||
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| A couple things. #1 I wanted to emphasize that i was Last to act. So that checking the flop means no bets on the flop, just to be clear. So the preflop raiser essentially on the button now checks it through. #2 No interesting cards flopped(suited, high cards) afterwards so I don't know that i lost alot from it. However I do understand that i should have given those interesting cards a chance to drop and make someone's hand. | ||
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