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 Poker concept, Roy Cooke, 31. Aug 2003 19:31 | ||
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| Recently a poster made a statement about folding a marginal hand in the blind and stated that you should call those hands, because if you don't, players will start attacking your blind. I do agree that this works...If you throw in loose calls early they will tend to be less aggressive with your blinds and that is a good thing. But, a better way of doing it is adjusting your play to your opponents thinking. If they think you are a doormat...you can make trapping plays, reraise plays and catch them in poor value situations....Over the course of time I feel this strategy works better! Thoughts?....Opinions? Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, philly, 31. Aug 2003 19:53 | ||
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| I definately agree that the concept of defending ones blind is overrated and overdone. As much as it stinks to have to give up your blind, it is that much sweeter when you can use the stealer's aggresion against him with a premium holding. In tournament play, especially, this can be an extremely valuable weapon. I often see people "defend" with hands like Ax and Kx and get killed after flopping top pair. | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, Angel, 31. Aug 2003 20:00 | ||
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| There was a large no-limit game which I played infrequently many years ago in Alaska; the majority of players had a much greater skill level than I did at the time and their BR's made mine look non-existant. This is, in my opinion, a perfect example of adjusting your play to your opponents thinking... I never lost in this game; not a single losing session. It seems ridiculous that they would not have noticed what I was doing but they gave me such little respect at the table - and I used it so effectively to my advantage, I couldn't help but win. If I had a strong hand (anything but the immortals), I'd look nervous...and check. They would bet invariably and I would sweat before I'd call with what I knew to be the best hand, turning it over cautiously with fear in my eyes. "Oh, King high flush huh...good hand, I had the Queen." and they'd muck. Never made them show their hands of course - wouldn't make it so easy for them to try and run me over next time. Most of the time when I had nothing all I had to do was push all my chips in the pot; I mean - if I was afraid to call with 2nd nuts all night long...I had to have the nuts now right? They had it in their heads that I was a coward - I let them keep their opinion of me and charged them each game. | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, Swagman, 31. Aug 2003 20:09 | ||
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| Problem with that is throwing in loose calls can be as costly as someone continually stealing your blinds. Another thing is that stealing blinds is down by alot of players with skill levels that would'nt even recognize your nuances. I think in many cases it requires you to deliver a strong smack-down on the habitual offender, but your right this doesn't have to happen during the course of defending your blinds. | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, MozMan, 31. Aug 2003 21:45 | ||
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| Roy- I tend to agree. I don't usually defend my blinds, except once in a while to mix it up. For the most part, I do exaclty as you say; don't play hands that will get me in trouble, but come back with a vengeance when I have a legitimate holding. -Moz "I'm a well-wisher, in that I don't wish you any specific harm." | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, Schuster, 31. Aug 2003 22:33 | ||
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| I generally defend my blind depending on how I view the potential stealer. If I feel they are a poor player, I will often defend as low as K7o or Q8o. If I can out play them the rest of the hand, including when I don't have much of a hand at all, I think it is a +EV situation for me to call. On the other hand, if I really respect an opponents play, I will let go of marginal hands. If I feel that they are a better post flop player than me, I will be more apt to let it go. The only exception is if it is the small blind (who doesn't chop) raises me in the big blind. If I have postion, I'm much more likely to defend. Come to think of it, blind defense hasn't been a widely covered topic in most books and I'm glad to see this thread. I hope it gets a lot of action, I know I could always use more insight as to when to defend my blind and when to let it go. Lee | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, Phish, 2. Sep 2003 10:55 | ||
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| My objection to folding KJ goes beyond playing the blinds. In my opinion, someone who folds KJ on the big blind is likely to play timidly and too tight post-flop, and this will lead to the better opponents robbing him blind. In fact, I specifically look for people like that (usually means they're playing above their comfort zone) and then target them for bluffs. And the problem with adopting a defensive strategy of waiting to trap is that you don't get strong trapping hands often enough. If you're going to fold everytime you have a marginal hand and play on only if you have a strong hand, that may work in a loose small game, but you'd have no shot in a bigger game, especially if it's short handed. In general, even at the 20/40 level which is where this topic started up, you want to be the guy in control. You want your opponents passive and intimidated. The last thing you want to do is to embolden them to take shots at you. Because now you're going to lose a lot of pots that you could otherwise have won in showdown or gotten free cards to draw out on. And you can't make up for all that lost money by getting an extra bet or three from trapping him. My fundamental point is this: If you are so intimidated that you'd fold KJ on the big blind, you are almost certainly a sucker in the game and should find another game. on 31. Aug 2003 19:31 Roy Cooke wrote: > Recently a poster made a statement about folding a marginal hand in the blind > and stated that you should call those hands, because if you don't, players will > start attacking your blind. > > I do agree that this works...If you throw in loose calls early they will tend > to be less aggressive with your blinds and that is a good thing. But, a better > way of doing it is adjusting your play to your opponents thinking. If they think > you are a doormat...you can make trapping plays, reraise plays and catch them in > poor value situations....Over the course of time I feel this strategy works > better! > > Thoughts?....Opinions? > > Life is Good :-) > Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, Roy Cooke, 2. Sep 2003 13:15 | ||
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| Hi Phish I don't think that because you fold KJ in one specific instance means you are a doormat for life.....You can make that play and play other hand very differently! Roy Cooke on 2. Sep 2003 10:55 Phish wrote: > My objection to folding KJ goes beyond playing the blinds. In my opinion, someone > who folds KJ on the big blind is likely to play timidly and too tight post-flop, and > this will lead to the better opponents robbing him blind. In fact, I specifically > look for people like that (usually means they're playing above their comfort zone) > and then target them for bluffs. > And the problem with adopting a defensive strategy of waiting to trap is that you > don't get strong trapping hands often enough. If you're going to fold everytime you > have a marginal hand and play on only if you have a strong hand, that may work in a > loose small game, but you'd have no shot in a bigger game, especially if it's short > handed. > In general, even at the 20/40 level which is where this topic started up, you want > to be the guy in control. You want your opponents passive and intimidated. The last > thing you want to do is to embolden them to take shots at you. Because now you're > going to lose a lot of pots that you could otherwise have won in showdown or gotten > free cards to draw out on. And you can't make up for all that lost money by getting > an extra bet or three from trapping him. > My fundamental point is this: If you are so intimidated that you'd fold KJ on the > big blind, you are almost certainly a sucker in the game and should find another > game. > > > > on 31. Aug 2003 19:31 Roy Cooke wrote: > > Recently a poster made a statement about folding a marginal hand in the blind > > and stated that you should call those hands, because if you don't, players will > > start attacking your blind. > > > > I do agree that this works...If you throw in loose calls early they will tend > > to be less aggressive with your blinds and that is a good thing. But, a better > > way of doing it is adjusting your play to your opponents thinking. If they think > > > you are a doormat...you can make trapping plays, reraise plays and catch them in > > > poor value situations....Over the course of time I feel this strategy works > > better! > > > > Thoughts?....Opinions? > > > > Life is Good :-) > > Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Poker concept, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 12:13 | ||
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| I fold my junk in the blind. Then when I have a real hand and somebody attacks it, I'll be in a great spot to play back at them. For that matter if you fold a lot of blinds and then 3-bet from the blind on a total snowjob you can resteal quite effectively once in a while - if you know your players well. | ||
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