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 Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, kurosawa, 31. Aug 2003 09:46 | ||
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| In a no-limit hold em tourney, 150 players left. I've managed to win a couple of huge hands in a row and find myself in the lead with over 3 times the number of chips that #2 has. I'm often tempted in situations like this to just sit out for a good long while...after all, it seems like a spot at the final table is almost assured. I've never actually done it, tho. Any comments on whether there are any circumstances in which sitting out is a good idea? | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, flintsword, 31. Aug 2003 10:14 | ||
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| The temptation to sit on your laurels is one we all face. Your mindset has changed. You are comfortable. You have "the big stack". This is an illusion. With 150 players left in the tournament, even your 3 times the #2 player is going to be small by the time the final table rolls around. You have the power to put "any" player all-in and this is a very, very big stick to have. Using it is going to tighten up your table considerably, so be aware of that effect. You can afford to see the flop with more hands. You can specifically target the weakest player at the table when he calls a hand and when he has the BB. Slowplaying big hands to maximize the number of players in the pot has a new power now because you have the stack to ensure that there will be no odds for any drawing hand, except for the gamblers. Example: The tournament had 300 players, each started with 5,000, so the total pot is 1,500,000. There are 150 players left and the average stack is 10,000 but you have (say) 70,000 and the number two has 25,000, as per your post. The final table average stack will require 150,000 AND you have a forest of blinds to cross between now and the final table. You MUST use your stack like a tool and build up. There is no time like the present. Once you reach 200,000 you can mathematically relax, ... but until the math of the tournament is tamed, you have to keep working. Hope this helps and good luck in your next multitable. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 12:30 | ||
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| Nope...bad idea. But you can do the next best thing. Fold everything except for AA and push all in when you get it. Or play AA and KK that way. Or see some flops, but only play amazing hands. Basically tighten right up, but there's no reason to sit out entirely. | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, Risky Business, 2. Sep 2003 12:34 | ||
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| What do you guys/gals consider a sizable chip lead? Twice as much as your next closest opponent? When is it NOT correct to tighten up......i.e. how close does someone have to get (by feeding off the others and the blinds) before you begin to play again? | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, Jav, 2. Sep 2003 15:03 | ||
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| The real question is when is it right to not be playing tight! While there is still 150 people in the game, you should be playing pretty tight to begin with. I would keep playing a tight, solid game. | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, stdioh, 3. Sep 2003 16:11 | ||
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| There are different degrees of tight. Playing only AA and KK is too tight for almost any circumstance. Folding 22 to an all in bet could be too tight if you are in a certain spot too. | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, stdioh, 3. Sep 2003 16:10 | ||
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| I would call 3X the average stack a sizeable lead. | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, chasepoker, 3. Sep 2003 16:28 | ||
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| Its a cold day in hell before i sit out with a chip lead. I , just for a change, disagree that you should slow down with a chip lead if anything you can loosen up and steal pots left right and centre. Being a chip leader in a comp is a great opportunity to bully, bluff and further increase you chip stack if you are risking 10% of your chips with a bet that equates to 50% of someone elses you can start making some real money. I basicaly think that you should be willing to take close gambles and push every edge you have, the only thing you have to be aware of is if you come up against someone who can hurt you, slow down against them, but medium stacks blinds are there for the taking IMO ! I have a lot of chips in the Pokerstars $20 NL multi at the moment i will tell you if playing aggressive works in the next hour or so ! Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, Possoff, 3. Sep 2003 16:57 | ||
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| First things first. Sure you're the big guy at the table and you don't want to look like a wimp. The smart thing to do is get the "Milk Money" first and then go after the "Steak and Potatoes." Remember, "A bird in hand...is worth nine in the bush." Possoff | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, flintsword, 7. Sep 2003 09:04 | ||
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| I am catching up on the threads I missed. I agree with you 100%. A big stack is there to be used. Even if half the field is gone, your "big stack" is not big enough for the final table, ... so you have to work it. I like your expression, and agree with it.: "Its a cold day in hell before I sit out with a chip lead." Words from the wise! flintsword | ||
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| Re: Tournament strategy: is it ever a good idea to sit out with a huge chip lead?, Angel, 3. Sep 2003 17:06 | ||
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| You asked if there are ever any good times to sit out - here's one from this years WSOP: Final table - 3 handed, approximate chip counts of about $410,000 - $400,000 and $12,000 with blinds of $5,000/$10,000. Short stack throws away, middle position raises all-in and chip leader calls and busts him. The guy with $12,000 (Jim Miller) went from a $57,000 payday to a $114,000 payday and the player who went all-in cost himself at least $57,000. THAT was a good time to sit out. Go after the little guy but don't take on the guy who can bust you with someone sitting at the table who can't even pay the blinds one more time. | ||
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