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 Etiquette question, SoCalPat, 30. Aug 2003 20:17 | ||
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| The scene: $10+$1 sit and go at Paradise. The situation: Four players left (top 3 pay). I'm second with 3,500 (chip leader has over 5,000). The other two are extremely short stacked -- we're talking chip and a chair short-stacked here. The set-up: I'm UTG with 33 and raise the minimum (blinds are 500/1000). I want the big stack (who is in the SB) to fold, and take a shot at knocking out the BB (who has but 250 after posting). The BB, alertly seeing the other short stack has only 500 (meaning he's all-in on the next hand), folds, desperately trying to sneak into the money. The point I'm getting to: On the next hand, I'm in the SB with J7o. The BB is all-in. UTG (now the big stack) folds, as does the button (who is still at 250). Action is to me. I type in the chat box words to the effect of "Mr. Short Stack, what would you think of me folding this hand?" Of course, he says no, and of course, I'm not folding. Not for another 250, and not with my stack advantage. To keep him hanging, I wait a little longer than normal before acting. (There's no animosity at the table, and I'm trying to add a little brevity) The BB flips up 82o, makes two pair on the flop and lives to fight another hand or two. Myself and the button joke about his bad luck ... now it's almost unlikely he'll slip into the money. It's all good between us. The other big stack, meanwhile, jumps all over me for talking about my hand while it's still in play. I try apologizing, saying I wasn't angle shooting and that I never intended on folding ... that I would have to stupid to do so and that I thought what I was saying was obviously intended as a joke. He then says I would have been thrown out of any cardroom in the country for saying what I did. Is he right? | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, Big_Slick, 30. Aug 2003 20:27 | ||
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| You didn't do anything wrong. I heard a lot more smack being thrown around a table than that. Just another "poker player" who has nothing better to do than bitch. | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, CraigTauterouff, 30. Aug 2003 21:01 | ||
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| just look at big tony from down under | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, BryanW, 30. Aug 2003 21:16 | ||
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| SoCalPat, I believe that as long as you didn't talk about specific cards in your hand while the hand is live, then you're okay here. -Bryan | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, flintsword, 31. Aug 2003 09:34 | ||
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| You are on pretty solid ground rules-wise SoCalPat, as long as you do not discuss your cards , communicate information, or solicit advise on what you should do. Consider that by toying with the short stacks, you are indulging in emotion (I visualized the image of a cat batting a mouse around when I read your post ... lol). The bubble, even as top stack or second stack, ... it is the wrong time to let your concentration waver, IMO. Hope this observation does not offend, and proves helpful. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, PokerDude, 31. Aug 2003 09:54 | ||
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| This guy may have been playing with your emotions, trying to get you on tilt. Don't apologize, keep cool, play it back at him, and make him tilt. Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, Machinegun68, 31. Aug 2003 18:56 | ||
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| I was under the impression you can say pretty much anything you want at a poker table. Is that wrong? I understand there is a difference between a drunken home game and a B&M casino, but what are the rules in a live casino about "table talk"? I occasionally play with a guy who will sometimes announce his hand and dare people to call him. Sometimes he lies of course. Would this be frowned upon in a live casino? I've only played once in a live poker room, and I pretty much kept to myself. If I started needling another player to get him on tilt, or just flat-out insulting him, could I get thrown out? This thread has gotten me confused. Just what are the limits on "table talk" in a B&M casino, or in an average home game? what's the consensus? Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, Swagman, 31. Aug 2003 19:27 | ||
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| Interesting, can hypothetical questions be punished. Anyone know, and if so then if the answer is no then what stopping someone from announcing his hand. I.E. holding A,K and stating 'what if I have a Bigslick would u fold?' Some one know the answer to this? But I guess thats not hypthetical if you actually holding AK, but what if your holding A,Q and ask it? Maybe some edge can be gained? | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, dan, 1. Sep 2003 02:23 | ||
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| I was in a tournament today and the button showed his Ace to his two checkers before he checked and won the pot with another Ace on the board. Someone asked about that and any rules and the dealer said that if he had shown the Ace and then bet, his hand would have been declared dead. I figure, from now on, if I'm not sure, I'm asking before I pull a stunt. (That button player was VERY relieved that he did not bet!) | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, Andrew W, 2. Sep 2003 13:31 | ||
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| Something I don't understand: Why would you be penalized for showing your cards? It's never a good move for you I may be new, but I can grasp Sklansky's s fundamental theorem: you benefit when people play the opposite of they way they would if they could see your cards. It seems that showing cards before hand is over can never benefit you. If you do it, and they do themselves a favor and fold, then you lost! I suppose showing an ace with one on board could make sense if your kicker sucks, and you want to see if anyone stays in with a better kicker. Or if you want to scare off people on draws. But then again, that's what betting is for. | ||
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| Re: Etiquette question, Possoff, 3. Sep 2003 17:10 | ||
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| Not only is he right...but you would have been hit with a chair also !! | ||
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