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 Beginner's Frustration/Rant, Mike Gentry, 29. Aug 2003 23:19 | ||
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| Hi All- I just drove home from my second ever poker game at the local Indian facility - in a bad mood. I was playing 1/2 with a $20 buy-in which I lost. I know I played pretty well, but I kept being outdrawn on the river by hands that should have never seen the flop. Here is the delimma: How do you practice the basics at a table primarily full of recreational players? I know I'm just a beginner, but I am studying the game. But tonight I recieved a butt kicking from some lucky players who would'nt fold anything before the flop. Here is the delimma part 2: A good player should be able to take advantage of a table full of bad players. Should you have a large enough bankroll to absorb the bad beats at a low limit table? Is $20 dollars enough to weather the lucky draws at a 1/2 table? :) -Mike (the impatient beginner) | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, Ron, 30. Aug 2003 00:07 | ||
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| Mike, Just stay at the 1/2 limit & learn. You can read all you want but the best learning is experience. You'll have your nights, so they'll even out. If you lose $20-50 a night, then think that you paid for private lessons. Seriously, stay at your limits & play the game the way it's supposed to be played. | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, JFaller, 30. Aug 2003 07:22 | ||
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| Mike: As a beginner myself, here are some things I have learned so far: 1) 20 bucks is NOT enough. For a 1/2 table, I think the recommended buyin should be about 40. (I would probably bring 60 anyway). [For a bankroll, I believe that some poker people recommend 300x the high bet, or 600 in your case. -- Remember that's a bankroll, not a buy in.] 2) At the low stakes table you will see people drawing out on you more. You will be playing better hands, and they will be playing worse hands. I understand that it is frustrating, but you would rather them be drawing on you than you drawing on them. Keep in mind that also, typically at 1/2, 2/4 tables you might not get much pre-flop raising. I have found that when the table is passive, I should stay in to see the flop any pair, and almost any suited connectors, and some suited cards differing by 1. if it's only 1$ to see the flop, that's what you're tipping the waitress for bringing you a drink anyway. 3) I play 2/4 at my local casino, and typically go with 100 in my pocket, and buyin with atleast 60. Lately I have been lucky, and only gone below 60 on the first hand I played, but I don't expect this luck to continue (although it would be nice if it did). Again, 20 is just not enough. 4) Buy Lee Jones' book. I can't stress this enough. It is an EXCELLENT book. 5) Play your hands agressively. When you flop 2 high pair, bet them, bet them, and bet them. (this works reasonably well at a low stakes table) 6) Don't really put people onto a hand before the flop. It doesn't work, people wil stay for a bet and a raise typically. 7) Be patient. Don't be frustrated over 20$. You would have spent that money going out to dinner, and maybe you got to play for 3 hours. Good luck. Keep trying. | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, caesar, 30. Aug 2003 09:28 | ||
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| 20 dollars isnt enough of a bank roll to play with a bunch of chasers at a low limit table, you wont be able to scare anyone away with a 2 dollar bet, moost of these people will play anything. do your best to learn the basics and try to get away from these types of games, when i sit for a few hands and peple play like that i either get up or start playing tight and put a beating on those guys. when you get more experience and if youhave the bank roll, i would start playing higher limit games there tends to be better players and not as many people will chase a 20 dollar bet like they will a two dollar bet | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, PokerPro, 30. Aug 2003 20:52 | ||
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| Mike It sounds like we are both in the same situation. I am a newbie myself, I've been playing online for about 2 months. I'm playing the $1-$2 tables. You're right, at that level there are way too many people who will play everything down to the river. There are enough of them that do that that usually at least one of them gets that miracle card that will knock me out. I play a very tight game but get far too many bad beats because of the extreme loose play at these tables, as you say, people who shouldn't even have even been in for the flop. I play only online and the only solution I have is for the problem is to watch the prospective table and see just how wild and crazy the table is. And I have a problem with that because I like to play at the 10 player tables due to the fact that the blinds wear me down at the 6 player tables and Party Poker has very few tables for 10 players. As a result you seldom can pick which table you want you're willing to wait quite a while for a particular table to open up. | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, Machinegun68, 31. Aug 2003 18:35 | ||
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| $20 is NOWHERE CLOSE to a big enough bankroll even at $1/$2. Mason Malmuth is quoted in Lee Jones' book as advocating a bankroll consisting of *300* big bets in order to ride out maniacs, river-rats, and runs of bad cards over a period of time. In a $1/$2 game, this would mean a $600 bankroll, 30 times what you are currently playing with. I would have BARE MINIMUM $200 or 100 big bets in my playing bankroll at $1/$2. Just my advice though. | ||
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| Re: Beginner's Frustration/Rant, stdioh, 2. Sep 2003 12:38 | ||
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| You can't win every session. Poker is very swingy, but in the end you will get it all. Patience. | ||
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