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 Rake in a home game., Stevolley, 29. Aug 2003 11:01 | ||
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| Is it a bad idea to take a rake in a home game? I have started to host a game and would like to take a minimal rake, in order to pay for all the expenses I have put into the table and such. I also deal while I play. We currently play low stakes $.50/$1 and $1/2 and was thinking of an hourly seat charge of $1 or something like that. While taking a rake if we ever get a $3/$6 game Any thought s would be appreciated | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., Frank Grimes, 29. Aug 2003 11:21 | ||
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| I think a rake in a home game is a terrible idea, especially if you want to keep your friends. I'd suggest a nominal contribution for whatever expenses you have (food and beverages, equipment, etc.); since you are hosting, it is not unreasonable to ask others to help foot the bill. Alternatively, have the game rotate locations if possible with the host responsible for expenses on his/her turn. | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., Hatchthunder, 29. Aug 2003 11:28 | ||
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| You might want to start a rake with the idea of putting all the rake money in a pool for you and your friends to go on a trip to Vegas or to a local casino, something like that. But I think raking your friends is a VERY BAD idea. That makes things feel too businesslike. If you want, just ask them to bring something each to the game. 1 bring the new deck, 1 bring the beer, 1 bring the chips, etc... Or just have everyone contribute $5 to a community pool for all of the needed supplies. | ||
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| Reasons for the rake, Stevolley, 29. Aug 2003 11:38 | ||
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| $425 Casino Style Hold-em table $150 worth of chips $30 worth of KEM cards $90 worth of folding chairs Also dealing every week. I am just looking to make the money back for this at a rate of $10/week. | ||
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| Re: Reasons for the rake, JaggedEj, 29. Aug 2003 12:22 | ||
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| I wouldn't play in a game with friend who is raking me. I don't get a share of your stuff do I? If I was really concerned about the cost , I would have asked people i buy pieces prior. One person buy the chips, another buy this, that.. or everyone just chip in equally. Rake just doesn't seem right | ||
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| Re: Reasons for the rake, Jav, 29. Aug 2003 13:30 | ||
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| I know that stuff is expensive, but not might a rake offend the other players, but it's probably illegal. I think it's better to ask the other players to pitch in small amounts for equipment (or ask them to bring beer/food etc) than to try to rake each hand... | ||
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| So?, Easy E, 29. Aug 2003 18:38 | ||
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| I don't think you can go in with that attitude. It's your equipment and your choice to purchase it- using the game to fund that won't set the best tone. Maybe discuss collections for resupplies, such as snacks and cards in the future? Plus, check your state laws- raking the game might make it illegal, or at least make it more illegal for you as the host, than for the players. | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., 4 POKER, 29. Aug 2003 11:47 | ||
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| In my opinion, yes, it's not a good idea. 'Makes it seem too official. Why not just ask your friends to bring some of the food and drinks? Everybody pitches in that way, and noone gets stuck footing the whole bill. Keep it real and on the up & up!! 4P- | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., Skeeter011, 29. Aug 2003 13:14 | ||
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| I Host a home game as well and I take a rake. All the home games I play at were there is a dealer there a rake is taken. I don't think it's a bad ideal. I play in a home 3/6 game and each pot over $20 there is a $1rake. It's cool nobody minds. Truthfully if you are playing my just your friends ask them about it. When I host a game with just my friends I don't, but when other people play I do. | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., stdioh, 29. Aug 2003 15:11 | ||
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| First of all, if you rake your home game, you are breaking the law ... you're not liable to get caught, but you should know what you're doing. Secondly, it'll stop being a "friendly" game PDQ. If you want to pay for your expenses the best way to do it is to ask everybody to chip in for the food and drink or whatever when they show up - keep it seperate from the game. | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., PokerDude, 30. Aug 2003 07:32 | ||
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| Rake takes the fun out of it, I believe. what you could do, If you are looking for $10 a week, is if you have one game a week, with ten players, discuss with them a $1 seat fee. Keep it in a seperate fund, and if you ever find it exceeds any supplies you need to buy, you could always have a freeroll tournament with regular players. Or you could start a bad beat jackpot and put a % of the funds into that pot each week. Another Idea, is to buy soda,beer, and snacks such as candy and those multi pack frito lay chips, and charge a small mark up on them, put a lock box out for them to put money in on the honor system, you may even keep it unlocked so change is easily made(assuming you trust the players). Players may come not just for the game, but they know refreshments and snacks will be there. I host a game two or three times a week, and I buy new cards everytime. When I discussed with them my concerns of always paying for these, players were more than willing to bring cards everyonce in awhile. Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., MozMan, 30. Aug 2003 10:55 | ||
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| Hey- I think a rake or time charge would be a bad idea. First, these guys are your friends, you shouldn't be charging them for this. Second, it's probably illegal. I think a better idea is to talk to yourr friends about on of the following possibilities: 1) can they take turns bringing refreshments each week? 2) can you rotate poker night so that everyone takes turns hosting/providing? 3) if you handle everything, would they mind chipping in a few bucks every couple weeks or month to help cover the cost? I would make it clear that I am happy to keep covering everything, and won't ask again if they just want a free ride; but then I will have to learn how to beat them regularly to cover the costs! ;) -Moz "I'm a well-wisher, in that I don't wish you any specific harm." | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., flintsword, 30. Aug 2003 11:13 | ||
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| Ok, so you invested in a "kick-ass" setup including a super table, chips that will stay in the pot when tossed in (as opposed to floating away or breaking ...lol), and fresh cards. Nice setup and you are to be congratulated. I only wish the odd home game I participate in were as well equipped. Rake = casino. Chow & setup charge = home game. The better the setup, the more you can charge, but think of it (and explain it) as a fixed fee, say $20 per session = $10 towards food and $10 towards the "setup" so that if you intend to play for ten hours, it is $1 per hour. That is cheap entertainment and explained like that, it will make sense. If you really want to be a hero, keep good records and once the table, chips and cards are covered, ... Drop the setup to cover just food and cards. The point to make is that you are not soaking your friends, but setting a new standard for playing. Anyone grouses about the extra $10, ... Just tell them they will win it easily at the table. Complainers generally have the most inflated sense of their card play, ... and regrettably, ... the poorest play. Make sure you have plenty of food ... :) Hope this gives you a different point of view on your question, and good luck! flintsword | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., DJpoker, 30. Aug 2003 11:59 | ||
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| Hey Steve, If you are taking a rake, then I don't think you should be playing. It sounds like your motives are mostly for recovering the costs of your expenditures, but IMHO a raked game should not have a player who is dealing and playing. If you are playing $3/$6 a $1 rake per hand is reasonable, but if it is a friendly type atmosphere, I would be very careful. because as many have stated, the friendly game could turn ugly really quick. If you want to play, get a reliable dealer and tell him you'll split the rake with him. If you figure 20 hands an hour for a home game, you and the dealer will each make $10 an hour (plus tips for the dealer) and you can play without worrying about anything else. (obviously more hands could be dealt) I would also highly encourage using a percentage of the rake for a bad beat pot or high hand of the night pot. This way, your friends won't feel like your taking them to the cleaners. If, for example, you are taking in $20 an hour, maybe put $4 or $5 each hour towards this type of pot. If you put $5, then you and the dealer are still making over $50 for a 7 hour game and paying out $35 to the high hand, etc. The safest way to work around the legality issue is to have a police officer play with you LOL. Good luck, DJpoker | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., timmer, 30. Aug 2003 14:02 | ||
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| I think so because it could lead to jail time or a fine in most states | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., JakartaDave, 30. Aug 2003 23:31 | ||
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| I agree with all the other folks that a rake is a bad idea. My home game has a bad beat jackpot that we fund with odd chips from high-low pots (instead of giving them to the high winner), as well as any amount under $1when people cash out (we have 25 cent chips, basically only used to kill raises). I suppose someone could use a similar scheme to collect for the house, although it wouldn't work with a 3/6 hold 'em game. Dave | ||
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| Re: Rake in a home game., Urban Chaos, 31. Aug 2003 01:29 | ||
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| My friends and I have built up (over the years) a $500 home jackpot simply by tossing in an ante of 25 cents at the beginning of each game (not hand...just game). It's a small incentive, sure, but it's there. | ||
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