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 To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, Mike Gentry, 28. Aug 2003 12:35 | ||
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| Thanks for the encouragement. The local Indian casino in Oregon offers a poker school in which you have the option of playing a 1/2 game with $10 bonus chips if you sit through the school. Good deal for beginners! But anyway, I'm already starting to be in the position of being outdrawn by others with rags. My short term goal is to work up to the 4/8 game. Being a perfectionist I need to realize that I can't be an expert right away. What is a good low-limit game to begin working on real strategy that I have been reading about? Thanks again. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, Squaliform, 29. Aug 2003 03:18 | ||
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| Unfortunately, I think you need to jump right into the fire. Playing the low limit games can only hurt your game. Most are no foldem holdem. Anything you learn there, except for gameplay itself, can't be applied to higher limit games. Even 4-8, is on the border of the no foldem line. Once you are comfortable with the gameplay, I would sit down at the 4-8. Don't expect to learn any good strategies below 4-8. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, WilliamS, 29. Aug 2003 06:02 | ||
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| I disagree. I think every game being spread is both educational and beatable. True, the tactics and strategies are completely different at different levels of play. But tactics and strategies differ in EVERY game. I've played in 1-2 games that are very tight and very aggressive. I've played in 10-20 games that are very loose passive. Each time you sit down at a table you are facing a new game. Generally speaking, the no-foldem holdem games don't teach you the tactics that come into play with more advanced opponents; but they can teach you a ton about pot odds and the value of your cards. This game is strictly a math game that can be beat for a substantial long term profit if a person can stay disciplined and absorb short term swings Will | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, Roy Cooke, 29. Aug 2003 09:00 | ||
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| I disagree....I think you need to start small...Get a feel of the game and get a level of comfort before you move up in class.....If you have what it takes, you will get there.....Too many players are in too much of a hurry and step up too soon. They go broke emotionally and economically. Many of those players would have made it had they had more patience. Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 29. Aug 2003 03:18 Squaliform wrote: > Unfortunately, I think you need to jump right into the fire. Playing the low limit > games can only hurt your game. Most are no foldem holdem. Anything you learn there, > except for gameplay itself, can't be applied to higher limit games. Even 4-8, is on > the border of the no foldem line. Once you are comfortable with the gameplay, I would > sit down at the 4-8. Don't expect to learn any good strategies below 4-8. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, PokerDude, 30. Aug 2003 07:51 | ||
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| there is potential for wild and loose players at any level. practice game selection and watch what players are doing before you sit down, if you think you can beat the game by playing your game, sit down. choose your battles wisely. Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, noiseboy, 29. Aug 2003 11:08 | ||
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| Start out in the really low limit games. You will need to study pot odds and implied odds thoroughly and focus heavily on playing either a premium made hand or a premium draw on the flop. The best books to get for these games are Gary Carson's "Complete Book of Hold'em" and Sklansky's "Theory of Poker". When you read TOP, however, keep in mind that deceptive plays are not nearly as important in loose games and focus mostly on the chapters on pot odds and implied odds. You can play more drawing hands in loose games, especially ones that can make the nuts; however, with many more people seeing the flop, you have to get a least a reasonable piece of the flop to stay in. Save bluffing til you move up to 6-12 or 15-30. I would like to disagree with the poster who states that you can't learn anything in these no-fold'em games. In CA, sometimes you find these loose games even at 6-12 and 15-30 and you can make BANK when you do if you are familiar with how to play your strong draws and when to lay down your pocket pairs in these crazy games. But you can't just jump up to a crazy 6-12 or 15-30 game or it will kill your bankroll. you need to start lower and get used to the swings. However, Squaliform is correct in that what you learn in these loose games is not necessarily going to help you in tough games. It's an entirely different animal. In the beginning, you want to stay away from the tough games anyway. Once you've read a couple of poker books thoroughly and have a bit of experience, you want to move up out of the really low limit games fast, because even though the games are loose, the rake is much less proportionally the higher you play. The key is table selection, you always want to play at a table where some or most of the players are worse than you. You don't have to be the best player at the table, there just needs to be a few really bad players to make a game profitable. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, 4 POKER, 29. Aug 2003 11:24 | ||
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| Well stated! | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, noiseboy, 29. Aug 2003 13:49 | ||
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| Thanks 4 POKER. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, EC, 29. Aug 2003 13:18 | ||
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| I'd also recommend tournaments for practice, if they're available to you. While tournament strategy differs from ring games and you must keep that in mind, the difference that's helpful to you is that the players you're facing will often be higher-limit players. You can face good players at a cheap price, you can learn a lot that way. Eli on 28. Aug 2003 12:35 Mike Gentry wrote: > Thanks for the encouragement. > The local Indian casino in Oregon offers a poker school in which you have the > option of playing a 1/2 game with $10 bonus chips if you sit through the school. > Good deal for beginners! But anyway, I'm already starting to be in the > position of being outdrawn by others with rags. My short term goal is to work > up to the 4/8 game. Being a perfectionist I need to realize that I can't be an > expert right away. > What is a good low-limit game to begin working on real strategy that I have > been reading about? > Thanks again. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, noiseboy, 29. Aug 2003 13:55 | ||
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| Good Call! I didn't even think about that, but I have to say that playing tournaments has made me a better ring game player and made me less intimidated by the higher limit players, some of whom are great players but a lot of them are just fish with more money to burn. However, even the not-so-good players at the high limits tend to be much more aggressive on average, so your idea of getting used to playing against them for cheap is very good. | ||
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| Re: To: Roy Cooke, noiseboy, PokerDude, 30. Aug 2003 07:55 | ||
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| Tournaments are also a great way to practice patience. \ Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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