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 Raise A4s from late position?, Snorbolus, 28. Aug 2003 10:33 | ||
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| I was browsing my copy of HPFAP this morning and it struck me that several of the example plays were set up with the player having raised A4s pre-flop. Usually I just limp from late position with this sort of holding because (a) I want to keep the blinds in and (b) I would rather see the flop cheaply then muck if it doesn't bring two of my suit. Is A4s a good raise from late position after several limpers? It seems to me that you would have to get involved a lot more with marginal holdings such as middle/bottom pair plus backdoor flush draw if you did raise in this spot. What about if it is checked to you, good for a steal raise? Unless I knew any players after me and the blinds very well (and I liked what I knew), right now I would rather not. Am I missing opportunities? Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, Skeeter011, 28. Aug 2003 10:46 | ||
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| There is a lot that you still have to look at. Like who you are playing, who is on the short stack, how many players are after you, (that can swing both way's depending on the game and players), what kind of table you are sitting at, stuff like that. you have to look at everything at the table. In general thorugh It's not a bad rasie but it still might end up hurting you. Believe it or not, depending on the game I might just fold the hand, but then again I am not afraid to fold an Ace like some people are. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, noiseboy, 28. Aug 2003 11:00 | ||
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| Yes, raise is good. You usually limp with Axs because you want a lot of players in so you get odds when you hit the best draw. However, once you are in late position, you are playing Ax because it is likely the best hand, and you don't mind winning right away. Even if you don't win right away, you will have position on the blinds the whole way. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, noiseboy, 28. Aug 2003 11:02 | ||
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| Oops, I should have specified that you raise with A4s in late position when it is FOLDED around to you. If there are already some limpers, you limp too and hope people stay in, you want as many people in as you can get. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, stdioh, 28. Aug 2003 13:09 | ||
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| In that case you are stealing - trying to take the blinds now and not fight for it. You are also on the assumption that your A4s is a favourite against 2 random hands. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, Hatchthunder, 28. Aug 2003 11:14 | ||
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| Snorbolus Hello, At the risk of hurting my chances against you when we finally get to play together. I might raise from late position with this type of hand just to mix up my play it there were a couple of limpers in front of me. But if I was say 1 off the button and it was folded around to me I would definitely use this type of hand to try and steal the blinds or buy the button. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, asdf1234, 28. Aug 2003 12:56 | ||
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| I think the point of raising with hands like these is to build a pot so that it you get clobbered by the flop (flush or flush draw), the size of the pot traps others into continuing to play. If you're playing low limits, this is generally not a good play because not many people are paying attention to the pot size anyway. | ||
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| Re: Raise A4s from late position?, stdioh, 28. Aug 2003 13:08 | ||
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| Sometimes I will raise A4s from late position, but it is rare. If I am on the puck and there are 5 limpers then I know I'll have odds even if the blinds don't come in and I'll want to raise here for value and deception. What's nice about this raise is that I know we'll be taking the hand at least 6 handed so getting more money in is great. I'm not planning to win if I hit an ace, but I am planning on having a good shot at seeing a free turn card. Now if I flop an ace and get a free card then maybe I'll hit my kicker, but really I'm hoping to flop a flush draw, have everybody check to the raiser, get a free card, make my flush, and have somebody else lead the turn for me. It works really nicely when it works. But if there are 3 limpers I'm likely to limp with this holding. If there is 1 limper again I might raise with it, hoping to isolate the limper and hoping he doesn't have an ace, but it depends on who he is. If I've got no limpers I'll definitely take a stab at a steal with this holding. | ||
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