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 Bad Play/Good Result?, Frinky, 27. Aug 2003 07:42 | ||
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| 8/16 game at Bellagio...fairly late...table looks tired. Pick up 7-8d on the button. 5 players see the flop for two bets...MP raised. Flop 936 1 diamond....When it gets to me it is two bets. I know (at least strongly suspect...ive got a good read on him) the BB has flopped a set. I call (no reraise from the BB....consistent with his play). Everyone called. Turn is the Qd. This time it is two bets to me with 3 players remaining (incl myself). I know I am behind but I've got 6 nut straight outs but also any diamond (9 more outs) that I decide gives me a clean chance to win the hand. (thought the raiser might have AQ, KQ or QQ (he was pre-flopraiser) which makes the flush draw clean)....I call....BB expectedly raises...we all call...the river comes the 5c (beautiful card)...after a series of raise/reraises...My heads-up opponent BB (with a chorus from the other side of the table attempts to explain to me how wrong I was to call 2 small bets on the flop against his set of 6's).. Granted, I KNEW I was behind but at 6-1 (if im correctly calculating) getting somewhere between 8-1 to 9-1 pot odds I am correct (help me out) in calling here...The diamond on the turn (trusting my reads) makes my call on the turn automatic. Am I missing something here? The only bad play I see here is the BB not charging more on the flop to draw against his set. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, WilliamS, 27. Aug 2003 08:10 | ||
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| on 27. Aug 2003 07:42 Frinky wrote: > 8/16 game at Bellagio...fairly late...table looks tired. Pick up 7-8d on the > button. 5 players see the flop for two bets...MP raised. Calling a raise with 78s on button is questionable for me but you've got enough callers to justify. The problem I see is if the blinds reraise your putting lots of money in on a marginal hand. >Flop 936 1 diamond....When it gets to me it is two bets. I know (at least strongly suspect...ive got a good read on him) the BB has flopped a set. I call (no reraise from the BB....consistent with his play). Everyone called. Okay, you have an open-ended straight draw so you are about a 5 to 1 to make your hand. Its 2 bets to you in a pot that is now 18 bets. Plenty of odds to make the call. Turn is the Qd. This time it is two bets to me with 3 players remaining (incl myself). I know I am behind but I've got 6 nut straight outs but also any diamond (9 more outs) that I decide gives me a clean chance to win the hand. (thought the raiser might have AQ, KQ or QQ (he was pre-flopraiser) which makes the flush draw clean) Okay, its 2 Big bets to you and the pot now has 14 big bets in it (20 small bets+essentially 4 BB). So its 7 to 1 on your call here. I think you're still in good shape to call this hand even without the added flush draw. (Actually the flush draw scares me a little because of the MP raiser.) . ...I call....BB expectedly raises...we all call...the river comes the 5c > (beautiful card)...after a series of raise/reraises...My heads-up opponent BB (with a chorus from the other side of the table attempts to explain to me how wrong I was to call 2 small bets on the flop against his set of 6's).. Granted, I KNEW I was behind but at 6-1 (if im correctly calculating) getting somewhere between 8-1 to 9-1 pot odds I am correct (help me out) in calling here...The diamond on the turn (trusting my reads) makes my call on the turn automatic. Am > I missing something here? The only bad play I see here is the BB not charging more on the flop to draw against his set. With the implied odds of the raises reraises on the river I think this hand is a "no-brainer". I think it would have been wrong of you to have laid it down anytime after the flop. I think one could argue about laying down the hand preflop. I think it is a close call either way. Other than that you played the hand perfectly. I might have raised the bet on the flop looking for a free card, but with your read on the BB as having trips it would have cost you more money than just calling. Will | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, noiseboy, 27. Aug 2003 11:02 | ||
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| Well, damn. You were surely correct, because you know the set is going to pay you off well if you hit the str8. The implied odds were there for certain. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, noiseboy, 27. Aug 2003 11:04 | ||
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| In addition, I think the way the hand played out when you hit illustrates exactly why you have to consider implied odds. You knew they'd pay you off good if you hit, and they did. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, Frank Grimes, 27. Aug 2003 11:44 | ||
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| Table looked tired? Since you were in about your 12th hour you should have been too! Ok, sorry for kibbutzing. . .the Bellagio has ruined me for all other poker rooms. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, Frinky, 27. Aug 2003 14:37 | ||
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| That's enough from the peanut gallery Grimey! Yes...it was my 12th hour...BUT...as I have mentioned to you before...and maybe someone would like to comment further on this..I tend to play better late in a session....not so much for the reads I develop (or maybe it is?)..but rather I feel totally focused/relaxed when Im a bit tired. I have less nervous energy and maybe this a bit over the top but I find myself KNOWING what cards are coming next (even if I am not in a hand)...Grimey can attest to this. They say for a baseball swing you need to keep your hands quiet....I think the same applies to poker...you have to keep your mind quiet (keeping all channels open). Slight fatigue allows me to do just that. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, Frinky, 27. Aug 2003 14:45 | ||
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| Not all the time...of course...that would be silly. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, Roy Cooke, 27. Aug 2003 12:14 | ||
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| Hi Frinky I would have reraised the flop and tried to get a free card on the turn.....The player criticizing your call does not understand good poker strategy....Truth be told I think he was just pissed he lost the hand....There is NO way I lay that hand down on the flop! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 27. Aug 2003 07:42 Frinky wrote: > 8/16 game at Bellagio...fairly late...table looks tired. Pick up 7-8d on the > button. 5 players see the flop for two bets...MP raised. Flop 936 1 > diamond....When it gets to me it is two bets. I know (at least strongly > suspect...ive got a good read on him) the BB has flopped a set. I call (no > reraise from the BB....consistent with his play). Everyone called. Turn is the > Qd. This time it is two bets to me with 3 players remaining (incl myself). I > know I am behind but I've got 6 nut straight outs but also any diamond (9 more > outs) that I decide gives me a clean chance to win the hand. (thought the raiser > might have AQ, KQ or QQ (he was pre-flopraiser) which makes the flush draw > clean)....I call....BB expectedly raises...we all call...the river comes the 5c > (beautiful card)...after a series of raise/reraises...My heads-up opponent BB > (with a chorus from the other side of the table attempts to explain to me how > wrong I was to call 2 small bets on the flop against his set of 6's).. Granted, > I KNEW I was behind but at 6-1 (if im correctly calculating) getting somewhere > between 8-1 to 9-1 pot odds I am correct (help me out) in calling here...The > diamond on the turn (trusting my reads) makes my call on the turn automatic. Am > I missing something here? The only bad play I see here is the BB not charging > more on the flop to draw against his set. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play/Good Result?, grant pittman, 27. Aug 2003 13:07 | ||
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| Frinky you have done nothing wrong in the play of your hand. Even if you knew the betting would be capped on the turn a call was clearly correct. The math in this particular hand gives you a green light to take the hand to the river. Good luck!!! GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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