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 Ethics of Hit & Run, Boftx, 26. Aug 2003 09:50 | ||
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| Given how easy it is to do a Hit & Run at online games, is it ethical to do so, and what, if any, or long term consequences when moving up the limits ladder? | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Brian462, 26. Aug 2003 10:59 | ||
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| Hit & Run? | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, asnyder, 26. Aug 2003 11:35 | ||
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| Hit a large pot......and then leave the game. I believe that was the idea of the original post. | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Brian462, 26. Aug 2003 11:50 | ||
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| Well in that case I think while unpopular it is completely ethical. | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Mark Gregorich, 26. Aug 2003 12:07 | ||
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| For the most part, there is nothing unethical about a hit and run. Exceptions exist, however. Sometimes a shorthanded game is begun with the understanding that none of the players can hit and run (leaving stuck is ok, though). This comes up at times in actual casinos. Its probably not as big of an issue in online games, though, since finding a new game to play in if your opponent quits is quite easy to do. In limit games, implementing a strategy of hitting and running is mostly just harmful to yourself, assuming you are a winning player. If the game is good, you should keep playing and turn that little hit into a big one. Sometimes you'll blow back your win, but if you are playing in a situation that has a positive expectation, you'll make more money in the long run by continuing to play. This changes in pot limit, though. Your stack size can become a relevant factor in whether you should stay in the game or not. For example, if you have hit a few nice hands and now have a lot of chips, and if there are some tough players with big stacks at the table, particularly to your left (they hold position on you), hitting and running may be sound strategy. If there was no prearranged time agreement, though, hitting and running isn't unethical - just annoying! Mark | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Boftx, 26. Aug 2003 12:53 | ||
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| That was pretty much the same thoughts I had on it when I asked the question. What really prompted it was I made a significant profit, close to 200%, the other night on a 2/4 game in only 8 hands. I left the table having seen the BB only once. I coulda stayed and seen if it would continue, but the profit factor was so large I felt discretion was the better part of valor in this case :-) | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Formless, 26. Aug 2003 13:48 | ||
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| I think it's completely ethical, unless there is explicit agreement by all parties. Many people really, really hate it though, so you've gotta factor in the consequences. Especially at a B&M cardroom, it's not fun sitting around a table full of people who are ****ed off at you! 2 stories: Once I was playing 20-40 online and won a big pot. Some sore loser who I had played with a lot said "Oh, are you going to say thanks for the money suckers and leave like you always do?" (something I've never, ever done). I often hop tables when online so sometimes I leave up and sometimes I leave down. I guess he remembered the times I did it when up. Another time I was playing 30-60 online and played a few hands heads up with a very well known pro (who has at least one gold bracelet and a reputation as being a bit of a so-and-so). We played maybe 20 hands and I made maybe $150. After 'feeling him out' I then decided it wasn't such a good idea to play one of the best poker players in the world heads up so I found another game. Maybe 4 days later, I joined a full 30-60 game and Mr. Pro was there. Of course, when my AA got cracked by a really bad hand, Mr. Pro was the first to say "nh". I'm sure this pro will have me in his crosshairs for the rest of my life, heheheh, but if I can get inside his head that easy then I'll figure a way to beat him ;-) | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Angel, 26. Aug 2003 14:38 | ||
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| I was going to leave this post alone; I'm one of those who really dislike the 'hit and run' tactic. Personally, I don't give people who do this alot of action. While I certainly prefer to have the best of it in any given situation, I will speculate far more liberally with someone who will not take the money out of action. It's sort of like taking a girl out on a date, fine dining and a concert; the limo you rented for the formal affair arrives back at her house - you go to give her a kiss goodnight and she exclaims indignantly, "Oh! You spent a little money on me tonight so you think you can have your way with me now! You think I owe you something now?!" She doesn't owe you anything...and either does the guy who just hit and run - but I'll be damned if I want to play with either of them any more. | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Roy Cooke, 27. Aug 2003 20:04 | ||
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| I don't think you're obligated to play any longer than you want to in any poker game! Roy Cooke on 26. Aug 2003 09:50 Boftx wrote: > Given how easy it is to do a Hit & Run at online games, is it ethical to do so, > and what, if any, or long term consequences when moving up the limits ladder? > > | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, stdioh, 28. Aug 2003 09:43 | ||
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| I wouldn't call it unethical, but I would call it unreliable. "Hit and run" isn't a strategy that will make you more money in the long run than just sitting in a good game and playing for a long time. | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, Squaliform, 28. Aug 2003 20:38 | ||
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| You play online poker to make money. This is not a social event with your local buddies. There is nothing wrong with doing a hit & run. It is much more ethical than the collusion that is out there. | ||
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| Re: Ethics of Hit & Run, ADAM THE EXPERT, 16. Sep 2003 05:40 | ||
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| It is complety ethical to hit and run, don't EVER let ANYONE tell you otherwise. There are exceptions. If you ask people to play a certain game, then they come, get stuck, and you leave, then you are being a jerk, and those players might not EVER play at the same table as you. If you agree to a pre-set amount of time that you will play, and don't- you are wrong. A home game, which often has a pre-set time limit, is another exception. Usually, all players stay to the end, and it is considered anti-social, not to. But, on the internet, leaving time is entierly up to you, unless you host a game, or invite people to come play at a private table that you create. Up here in Alaska, we play pot limit dealer's choice, and you could lose your whole stack, in one hand. They don't like it, but if I feel it's time to go, then I go. When possible, I try to stay as long as I can. Another exception, if you sit down and start playing someone heads-up, it would be uncool, but not unethical, to just win a few pots, and leave. The social rule of poker is: looser decides when to quit, unless a time limit has been set. Two years ago, I challanged a guy to a heads up 50-100 high low no Q game. At the last minute, I proposed that you could not leave, until 5.00 am, or until you got two thirds of the other player's chips. I won the first couple hands, and REALLY wanted to leave, but I kept my agreement. Hopefully, this information will help you | ||
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