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 AKs NL Tourney Hand, mkpoker, 25. Aug 2003 21:16 | ||
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| I'd like some thoughts on how I played this key hand from a 2 table NL SnG at party. Until this point, I had been dealt pretty poor cards, and was pleased that I had managed to build up my stack to about T2000, which was slightly below average. 11 Players left. Table is 6-handed. I had just been moved to this table, so I didn't know the players and they didn't know me. Blinds are 50/100. From the button, I'm dealt AhKh. EP limps (he is among the chip leaders with T3,400), and all others fold to me. I raise to 450. Blinds fold; limper calls. Flop comes 6c 9s 8h--not what I was hoping for. Limper bets 300; a suspiciously small bet considering there's already T1000ish in the pot. I call. Turn is Jh giving me the nut flush draw plus two overcards. Limper bets 600. I call, leaving me with about T800. River comes 2c. Limper bets more than I have left and I fold. A few hands later I move all in with AJ and get beat by KQ. Questions: 1. Should I have raised more pre-flop? 2. I called the flop and turn, which I know is generally frowned upon in NL. I thought about making a big reraise (or even pushing all-in) on the flop, but played it a bit more timid. A mistake? | ||
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| Re: AKs NL Tourney Hand, Dr_Monkey, 26. Aug 2003 08:16 | ||
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| What about just calling pre-flop to see the flop as cheaply as possible? Since he was chip leader he has chips to spare and going against him with AKs can be costly. I think going all in was another option, but he could have called and if he lost he would still have a decent stack size. So I think there was a good chance that he would call you and it becomes a coin flip. With that flop, would you have called his 300 bet if you didn't raise pre-flop? | ||
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| Re: AKs NL Tourney Hand, mroban, 26. Aug 2003 08:25 | ||
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| mk, I am not an expert on NL so this is just my humble opinion. But I fold this hand after he bets to me on the flop. Why risk most of your chips at this point in the tournament with nothing? I agree the bet was suspiciously low and you may have read him for trying to buy it right there, but I think the only two options are: 1. Fold, 2. re-raise 3x his bet. I don't think I would have called there. I am really curious to see what the experts say because I struggle in these situations too. But in general, I have been following Cloutier's advice in these situations, which is basically to get away from the hand. Its just too easy for him to have caught a piece of the flop, with something like playing J9 or JT. If he is playing an open ended straight, you are only a slight favorite in the hand. If he has top pair then you are a slight underdog. So I figure its a coin flip type hand at best. Seems like it isn't the situation where you want to get caught up in that. You have a decent amount of chips and the play here was to either win preflop (I think) or take him on the flop. The raise should have been enough to fold him off preflop if he was just trying to steal, so you have to put him on something (TT perhaps? ATs? JTs?). Anyway mk, I don't think I would have called. I am either going to fold or, if I have a good read on the guy, put it all in (but only if I had a dead read on him). Listen mk, as I said, I am not an expert but I wanted to put in my two cents because this kind of hand occurs often with me, and I had gone bust with AK playing the way you did a couple of times. I have been folding the hand in these cases now and have been making more money in NL tourneys as a result, by not getting busted with nothing. Hope you don't mind input from a non-expert. on 25. Aug 2003 21:16 mkpoker wrote: > I'd like some thoughts on how I played this key hand from a 2 table NL SnG at > party. Until this point, I had been dealt pretty poor cards, and was pleased > that I had managed to build up my stack to about T2000, which was slightly below > average. 11 Players left. Table is 6-handed. I had just been moved to this > table, so I didn't know the players and they didn't know me. Blinds are > 50/100. > > From the button, I'm dealt AhKh. EP limps (he is among the chip leaders with > T3,400), and all others fold to me. I raise to 450. Blinds fold; limper calls. > Flop comes 6c 9s 8h--not what I was hoping for. Limper bets 300; a > suspiciously small bet considering there's already T1000ish in the pot. I > call. > > Turn is Jh giving me the nut flush draw plus two overcards. Limper bets 600. > I call, leaving me with about T800. > > River comes 2c. Limper bets more than I have left and I fold. A few hands > later I move all in with AJ and get beat by KQ. > > Questions: > 1. Should I have raised more pre-flop? > > 2. I called the flop and turn, which I know is generally frowned upon in NL. > I thought about making a big reraise (or even pushing all-in) on the flop, but > played it a bit more timid. A mistake? > > > > | ||
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| Re: AKs NL Tourney Hand, Schuster, 26. Aug 2003 08:25 | ||
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| There's 2 possibilities. He has a hand, or he figures a preflop raiser to have big cards, and none of those hit you, so he can try to steal the pot. I think on the flop, I'd either raise or fold. Since you don't know the opponent and since the board is rather coordinated, I'd let it go. He could have hit a set of 8's or 9's and you're drawing near dead. Maybe he decided to gamble with some medium suited connectors and hit 2 pair or a pair and the straight draw. The point is, you're still in decent shape with about 1500, but if you call this the whole way down, you're way short. If you're willing to risk that much on this hand, give him the chance to fold what he has and raise the flop. Otherwise, save your money for a better chance. Lee | ||
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| Re: AKs NL Tourney Hand, Mark Gregorich, 26. Aug 2003 09:17 | ||
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| I think your preflop raise to $450 was fine, although making it about $600 may have won you the pot, depending on how the limper plays. I would tend to fold to his $300 bet on the flop. He may have nothing, but you don't have much either. And, his nothing probably includes a straight draw with this board (something like A7), so you don't figure to be too big of a favorite here. Also, he may have a hand like 66, in which case you are in need of professional help. I think a smaller pair is also likely here, and AK is drawing uphill with this flop. Another reason to fold here is due to your chip status. You started the hand with 2000 or so, and will have 1550 if you fold. That is still plenty to play with with blinds of 50-100. Calling 300 leaves you with 1250, and if a big card doesn't come off on the turn, you have to expect your opponent will bet again (he either has a good hand, or will continue bluffing with the ragged board, figuring you for AK or AQ). Mark | ||
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| Re: AKs NL Tourney Hand, Andrew Wells, 26. Aug 2003 17:09 | ||
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| Your preflop raise amount was okay, but I think it is best to give up on the flop with overcards when you have the shortstack . | ||
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