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 Question on middle pairs, David Erickson, 25. Aug 2003 12:34 | ||
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| I'm new to the game (3 weeks!) and was hoping to get a little play advice. I hold pocket 8's and the flop comes up 46K. I'm in 2nd position, so I feel at a disadvantage already. Everyone checks after the flop and the turn brings another K. 46KK are on the board and 1st position opens to me. My feeling was that he was representing an A or a low pair, and certainly not a K, so I raised him. Everyone folds and 1st position limps home with me and I rake a modest, if not small pot. I felt a little cheated by the small pot and was wondering if there is a better way to play that hand to maximize my return (considering half the pot won was my own money). | ||
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| Re: Question on middle pairs, Jon01, 25. Aug 2003 13:01 | ||
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| IMO, you played the hand correct. If you just called, you likely could have gotten a bigger pot, but also would have had a good chance of players calling with two overcards and catching, costing you the pot. Better to take the modest win than lose a big pot. | ||
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| Re: Question on middle pairs, EC, 25. Aug 2003 13:11 | ||
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| Tough call, but a very good read on the original better. It ain't just him you have to worry about though. A couple considerations: With the raise, you're basically announcing to the table that you have the 3rd king. Therefore, if anyone actually did have a king, they would call two bets cold or reraise you, in which case you may have to consider laying down. By raising, the only people you're folding out will likely have hands worse than yours, but who might have called a single bet on the turn. The possibility exists that a tight player would fold pocket 9s or 10s, but it's unlikely. With a flat call, someone else with a pair of 4s or 6s might call for one bet, and will likely call through the river if nothing else scares them off, assuming that if you had a king you would have raised. So you might have gotten a few extra bets by flat calling rather than raising. But that's a maybe- you don't know what they had, all you really know is that if they had a king you'd find out really quick. However, some details were missing from your post- was the board a rainbow, or could someone have been on a flush or straight draw? If so, raising is the right thing to do, since you have a hand to protect. I do think you're lucky you didn't end up drawing dead- an even worse spot to be in considering your turn raise. It's probably not worth the raise for the risk of running into a bigger hand and having to call it through, out of position. I'd be happy with a modest pot with this holding, that neither of you had big hands doesn't typically create big pots. Anyone agree/disagree? Eli on 25. Aug 2003 12:34 David Erickson wrote: > I'm new to the game (3 weeks!) and was hoping to get a little play advice. > > I hold pocket 8's and the flop comes up 46K. I'm in 2nd position, so I feel at > a disadvantage already. Everyone checks after the flop and the turn brings > another K. 46KK are on the board and 1st position opens to me. My feeling was > that he was representing an A or a low pair, and certainly not a K, so I raised > him. Everyone folds and 1st position limps home with me and I rake a modest, if > not small pot. > > I felt a little cheated by the small pot and was wondering if there is a better > way to play that hand to maximize my return (considering half the pot won was my > own money). | ||
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| Re: Question on middle pairs, davideasg, 25. Aug 2003 15:01 | ||
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| "However, some details were missing from your post- was the board a rainbow, or could someone have been on a flush or straight draw? If so, raising is the right thing to do, since you have a hand to protect." I don't recall whether there was a flush draw or not now. But I don't remember being scared of one necessarily either. So I'm thinking not. | ||
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| Re: Question on middle pairs, noiseboy, 25. Aug 2003 14:41 | ||
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| No, you had a read that nobody had a K, so you represented one and won the pot. Kudos, nice play. Raising is much better than calling because you knocked out people some of whom might have overcards to beat you. In fact, against a particularly tight player you might even get someone with a better hand to fold like 99's for instance. People may interpret since you were in early position that you have the K but were intending to check raise on the flop. Anyway, unless you have a monster, don't feel bad that you win a small pot, this result is almost always better than losing a pot. | ||
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| Re: Question on middle pairs, davideasg, 25. Aug 2003 15:03 | ||
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| Very good point, thank you. | ||
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