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 king ten suited question again, cantfoldem, 25. Aug 2003 11:14 | ||
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| If I play Kh 10h from middle late position one other person has called and the small blind folds and the big blind checks preflop. The flop comes something like Ah ,8h,3c that gives me a heart flush draw but the BB checks the next guy bets what should I be doing?? Any expert advice appreciated here,I`m definitely unsure here what's best. I will usually chase it but not raise till I get there. | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, Eihli, 25. Aug 2003 12:23 | ||
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| if this is shorthanded I'd raise, if he re-raises just call him. if he calls and then checks the turn i'd bet. i havn't been doing too good at full tables so i probably shouldn't be giving advice. actually i havn't been doing good shorthanded either so don't listen to me. | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, EC, 25. Aug 2003 13:17 | ||
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| Since it's short-handed you should be just as happy getting him to fold as you would be chasing, that's the beautiful byproduct of a semi-bluff. I'd raise for three reasons: - they might fold - you could build a bigger pot for your nut flush - you could get a free card on the turn, saving you 1/2 a bet. Eli on 25. Aug 2003 11:14 cantfoldem wrote: > If I play Kh 10h from middle late position one other person has called and the > small blind folds and the big blind checks preflop. > The flop comes something like Ah ,8h,3c that gives me a heart flush draw but > the BB checks the next guy bets what should I be doing?? > Any expert advice appreciated here,I`m definitely unsure here what's best. I > will usually chase it but not raise till I get there. | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, cantfoldem, 25. Aug 2003 13:34 | ||
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| I`m not sure what you mean shorthanded ? I meant in a 10 player game but preflop it ended up with no raise and only 3 players to see flop. | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, 4 POKER, 25. Aug 2003 17:35 | ||
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| on 25. Aug 2003 11:14 cantfoldem wrote: > If I play Kh 10h from middle late position one other person has called and the > small blind folds and the big blind checks preflop. > The flop comes something like Ah ,8h,3c that gives me a heart flush draw but > the BB checks the next guy bets what should I be doing?? > Any expert advice appreciated here,I`m definitely unsure here what's best. I > will usually chase it but not raise till I get there. Hey!........Thanks for the follow up post. Okay, so you were indeed talking about King Ten suited and you flopped the nut flush draw. At first I thought you just held King Ten offsuit. (anyway).......Here's a few ways that you can play the hand: Since everyone has folded except for the blinds (pre-flop), when the flop comes up say A-8-3 containing two to your suit and one being the suited Ace, Yes, you are now drawing to the nut flush. When the SB checks and the BB bets out, you can either Raise him here or you can chose to just call. But that choice will be up to you, and one that will depend on the type of player you are up against. If you Know that he is a fairly tight player and wouldn't bet with anything less than an Ace here, you may just want to call, or you may want to raise him here as well, thinking that he may just call your bet, and then check it to you on the turn. He may give you the free card because he's afraid that you hold an Ace with a bigger kicker. Tight players will back off sometimes while overly aggresive players will not. But whatever choice you do make will depend on the type of player who is doing the betting and how "you" are being perceived in the game as well, at that point in the game. There's no one correct answer to give you here, but you must feel comfortable about the reactions you chose to make. Now.......If there were a few more people in the hand here, Your draw would have alot more merit to it when deciding to call all bets to the river (providing you don't make the flush on the turn). But, IMO, if when the BB bets it and you call, if the SB folds and you wind up taking the hand heads up on the flop........if you put him on holding an Ace, and you don't make your flush on the turn, I would muck the hand right there and not put in a big bet now if he decides to bet the turn. You don't have that much money in the pot and you are not favored in completeing your flush either......they don't hit as often as you may think! If there were more involved and the pot was laying you better pot odds/implied odds to draw to it, then I would say a call would definitely be in order. But in a heads up situation, with very little money in the pot, if a total blank comes on the turn, I would muck and save that bet for when you will be getting a much bigger return when drawing to a flush. That's my opinion. 4P- | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, cantfoldem, 25. Aug 2003 18:22 | ||
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| I wonder if folding when bet into with nothing but the draw may be the smart play for me not really knowing what he is betting on I mean he has probably got something granted it may be a small pair to give me a few more outs but if it ends up heads up I dont think I`m getting the correct odds. Know if i raise and it ends up heads up again same predicament. Anyway if I do play on and dont call the turn if its a blank then it seems like a bad call to not call the bet on the turn. My thinking being that if I planned to fold if i miss on turn then I`m only getting half the odds to make my handwhen I called the bet on the flop. Is my thinking flawed here, I know the odds to countinue drawing with one card left are half as good i guess. So drawing just one card then fold to a bet if you miss is a good play becuse the money in the pot doesn`t justify a call on the turn. I really hate this situation but it seems to come up often. Thanks for the advice and any more wisdom you may have. | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, 4 POKER, 25. Aug 2003 18:40 | ||
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| Hey, Yeah, those types of situations can definitely be tough somtimes, but if you really knew your opponets well then the choice that you do chose to make might be an easier one as well. I play mostly in "live" games so I think my reads over my opponents will be alot stronger as I know most of their tendencies to begin with. I personally will raise the flop here more than just call a bet, but that's what I feel comfortable with, unless I'm almost certain that the player did indeed flop an Ace, and will not release it, or if I know that he's not going to back off now either. So I guess it really does depend on alot of things and the one way you play the flop one time, may be different from how you chose to play it the next time. Having good reads over your opponents will help alot here.........and if they fear you at all, a raise on the flop may just get them to fold there own hand as well, epecially if you think they were on a steal bet. But even if you do raise the flop and it now gets checked to you on the turn......you don't necessarily have to opt for the "free card" now either, (even if you miss). Sometimes, if you bet on the turn after it's checked to you, may give them more reason to believe that you hold something and they might just fold to a bet as well. Just mix it up a bit with these types of flops, but you don't have to get carried away either! I just hate the bet call, bet call, all the way to the river in a heads up situation when only drawing to a flush. Know what I mean? It seems too wimpy, and it allows for future bluffs to be put on you as well when they see you just call the flop....call the turn.......and muck the river! SO once in awhile, you're going to have to mix it up and take control on the flop and raise.......not always, but sometimes! And like I said in my other reply.......sometimes you won't continue at all if the turn card brings another blank and you're bet into again. Many different choices to make on the playout of these hands.........try to utilize them all while taking into factor which one may be the better option at that time. Just some thoughts......... | ||
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| Re: king ten suited question again, Roy Cooke, 26. Aug 2003 07:58 | ||
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| Hi If the player was the texture of player that might be bluffing I would raise him and hope to win the pot right there....If he called, I am probably taking a free card. If he will always call when raised I may l bet the hand down....But if I do that he can't be a calling station. If I know he has an ace I will raise the flop if he is the sort that will check the turn when raised.....If he is the sort to rerasie or bet the turn.....then I will call and if I miss I am probably mucking the turn, unless he is one to bet and payoff everything (Unlikely). I hope this helps! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 25. Aug 2003 11:14 cantfoldem wrote: > If I play Kh 10h from middle late position one other person has called and the > small blind folds and the big blind checks preflop. > The flop comes something like Ah ,8h,3c that gives me a heart flush draw but > the BB checks the next guy bets what should I be doing?? > Any expert advice appreciated here,I`m definitely unsure here what's best. I > will usually chase it but not raise till I get there. | ||
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