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 High pair strategy question w/short stack, verb2752, 25. Aug 2003 10:21 | ||
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| I was playing in an online NL tourney last night - we were down to about 27-28 players or so, 3 tables left, 300+ entrants..... I was short stack at my table, about $14k in chips left, Blinds were at $800-1600 with $200 antes.... I didn't want to wait too long so that a double up would only get me back to $14-16k or so, I could care less about finishing a few spots higher, I was gunning for the final table or bust, and I felt like I needed the double up to get there..... I was under the gun with KK, I go all-in....I wanted to double up if possible, but I would have also picked up $4200 if no one called. Well, I got called with A-Q and an Ace hit the board and I was out. Is that a correct play UTG, or should the play be to limp in and go over the top (all-in) of the raise that will no doubt come from someone after me? As I thought about this last night, I was thinking that limping in might get more money in the pot, with a raise & maybe a re-raise after me, then I could go all-in..... What do you think? Thanks. | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, e-babes, 25. Aug 2003 10:26 | ||
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| Right move in my opinion. You were a favorite to win and you got caught by an overcard. | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, verb2752, 25. Aug 2003 10:33 | ||
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| on 25. Aug 2003 10:26 e-babes wrote: > Right move in my opinion. You were a favorite to win and you got caught by an > overcard. I guess I should clarify, I was going all-in no matter what, in my heart I felt I had to gamble at that point.... My question, was really to whether I should have went all-in right away, or limped in and gone over the top to get more money in the pot, or is that getting to cute with the KK's.....? | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, noiseboy, 25. Aug 2003 11:10 | ||
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| That's getting too cute. All-in is the best move, as the blinds and antes are high enough that it's not a tragedy to just win the pot right then and stay alive. Calling all-in with AQ was probably a bad move by your opponent, unless they had a ton of chips and just wanted to try to bust you, or thought they had a read that you were just getting desperate and would play a lower quality hand. The problem with AQ is that it is a big dog to most of the hands someone will go all-in with UTG, in this case he just got lucky. | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, Joe Vella, 25. Aug 2003 10:35 | ||
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| You did the right thing. You had a huge hand and that was a great opportunity to double up. Unfortunately a ace hit the board. | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, MozMan, 25. Aug 2003 18:51 | ||
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| Nah, I wouldn't play games like that. An immediate all-in move in that situation is the best way to go, I think. When you move all0in UTG, you really only want one caller (though none are good too). If you limp in, and someone raises an aribitrary amount, there's too much chance that someone else will call before you come over the top, and that player may also call your reraise as he's already in the pot. If there are two or more opponents, then there a higher chance of someone drawing out on you. -Moz "mmmm.... open faced club sand wedge." | ||
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| Re: High pair strategy question w/short stack, McMonkey, 26. Aug 2003 05:40 | ||
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| Let me preface this by saying it of course can all change depending on how your opponents play, but with that in mind here's how I see the KK situation in general. First in general I think it depends on a couple of factors: -How safe you want to play it -How many chips you have -How many chips your opponent has And then a fundamental question: -Do you want to fold off your opponents OR -Do you want someone to call you If you want to fold off your opponents, you may have a better chance if you make them make 2 decisions (in other words wait till the flop to go all-in). That way it's not a one time decision and then not having to think about it anymore. This is also the safer method because if an A does hit the flop you can drop the hand if you strongly suspect you're beat. If you want a call, then going all-in before the flop (assuming you're going against a big enough stack) is probably your best shot in this case. With KK you're usually a favorite to win, but you're still leaving your future in this tournament to chance so it's a little more of a risky move. Not to mention that if you're UTG you're going all-in blind (that is you have no idea what anyone else may have) and that adds another degree of risk. In this situation: With a small stack, however, I don't know if you'd have enough to make a decent raise preflop and then have enough left to make your all-in move serious to the other player(s) assuming the flop was favorable. So I think either way you look at it you did what you could and got unlucky. | ||
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