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 Good but not Great Hands, mkpoker, 23. Aug 2003 21:53 | ||
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| I've been losing a ton of money at B&M LLHE lately on what I consider good but not great hands. I'm thinking of hands like KJ, KT, AT, QJ, etc. It seems like I've been making all the wrong decisions post-flop...calling or raising when (I find out later) I was drawing dead or mucking only to discover at showdown that I threw away the best hand. IMHO, these "better hands" are much tougher to play than "worse hands" like middle suited connectors, where you can be quite sure you're beat if the flop doesn't fit just right. Roy, Barry...anyone. Any thoughts on how to play these kinds of hands? | ||
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| Re: Good but not Great Hands, Boftx, 23. Aug 2003 22:30 | ||
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| Somewhere a long time ago I once heard (I think it was my brother that told me this) that the secret to winning at poker was not in playing the winning hands, or folding the losing hands, but knowing when you hold the 2nd best hand at the table. I have always considered this the best poker advice I have ever heard. | ||
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| Re: Good but not Great Hands, Schuster, 23. Aug 2003 22:30 | ||
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| Are you considering position before the flop enough? I only play KJ AT and QJ offsuit in mid / late position, and I rarely play KT at all. And I agree, these hands are much harder to play than the true premium hands. The reason is that you have to be aggressive but you also have to know when you are beat. I will generally play these hands fast if I flop top pair until someone tells me I am beaten. If I flop top pair, I will generally raise if I have position even if my kicker is a bit suspect. There are a lot of hands that people will lead on the flop with and they aren't all top pair. Consider the texture of the board! The could be betting a strong draw and trying to get some money in the pot. Also consider your opponents. If the rock is leading the ace high flop, throw away that AT and save your money for another fight. I've found that one of the best ways to make these hands profitable is to really consider what your opponents might be holding when they bet or raise. Don't just think, "I have top pair but a marginal kicker, my hand must not be good." Consider what position the opponent is in and what range of hands he is likely to have and try to take the best course of action. If you feel like you aren't capable of playing these hands profitably, then tighten up with them until you get a better handle on it! There's no law that says you can't fold that ATo in middle position. If you feel like it will cost you money in the long term, why play? Play the marginal hands in late position until you really feel like you can get out there and make money from them earlier. Lastly, it might just be a short term string of bad luck. You might be playing the hands just fine. Post some hands here that you have questions about, there's a wealth of great people to help you out. If the experts agree with your play, then you know that you are doing just fine, and if they do not, you will know better for next time. Good luck mk. | ||
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| Re: Good but not Great Hands, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 23:36 | ||
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| Good post Lee! (Another thing to add here.......consider the texture of the game as well. In a real passive type game, I will limp in more with these types of hands, but if the game is on the aggresive side with a little tough/solid competition, I will throw many more of these hands away especially if I'm out of position). 4P- | ||
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| Re: Good but not Great Hands, Barry T, 24. Aug 2003 06:06 | ||
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| Hi. So maybe these hands are not so "good". The hands you listed (defined by Brunson as "trouble hands") are playable in late position with few players. If these are a lot of players, do not play these hands. If there is a raise, do not play these hands. If you are in early positon, do not play these hands. I f you are first or second in, in late position, and the limper (if there is one) is not a strong, player, raise with these hands and try to play heads up. If this will not be possible (the blinds almost always call), then do not raise. If you never played these hands, you would not lose much if any earn. And that is true only if you play well post flop. As the other replies indicated, you must be able to release if you are beat. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Good but not Great Hands, Mark Gregorich, 24. Aug 2003 11:11 | ||
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| I agree with Barry here. These types of hands just don't play well in multi-way situations, which you will commonly find yourself in in loose lower limit games. Don't get swayed into playing them just because everyone else is in - these hands go down in value in these situations! Mark | ||
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