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 opinions on hand, Brian Benson, 23. Aug 2003 14:07 | ||
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| I won this hand with my pocket nines but the guy I beat was a little upset and was grumbling that in no way should I of called him at the river (I'm not sure if he was mad I called him at the turn). (of course I won so I'm glad I did) I thought the way he bet was a little suspect and that is why I called. Anyways, here is the hand, I'm bbenson5 in this hand. Thanks for all input! Seat 8 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: a Seat 2: b Seat 3: c Seat 4: d Seat 5: e Seat 6: badguy 27.35 Seat 7: f Seat 8: bbenson5 ( $26.45) Seat 9: g Seat 10: h posts small blind (0.25) posts big blind (0.50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to bbenson5 [ 9d, 9s ] bad buy calls (0.50) bbenson5 raises (2) to 2 bad guy calls (1.50) ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 2c, 5s ] bad guy bets (1) bbenson5 calls (1) ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ] bad guy bets (10) bbenson5 calls (10) ** Dealing River ** : [ Ac ] bad guy bets (14.35) bad guy calls all-In. bbenson5 calls (13.45) bbenson5 calls all-In. Creating Main Pot with $53.35 with bbenson5 Creating Side Pot 1 with $0.90 with bad guy ** Summary ** Main Pot: $53.35 | Side Pot 1: $0.90 | Rake: $2.80 Board: [ 4s 2c 5s 8c Ac ] bad guy balance $0.90, bet $27.35, collected $0.90, lost -$26.45 [ 8h 7h ] [ a pair of eights -- Ac,8h,8c,7h,5s ] bbenson5 balance $53.35, bet $26.45, collected $53.35, net +$26.90 [ 9d 9s ] [ a pair of nines -- Ac,9d,9s,8c,5s ] | ||
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| Re: opinions on hand, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 14:29 | ||
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| Hi, I'm wondering why you played your hand so passively here. You raised it coming in with 9-9, you got a pretty favorable flop for your hand with not even one overcard, and when he bet into you, you just called. The turn card brought another lower card than the nine, and you still just called. I'm curious, what did you think he had? If you really thought your two nines were good, (and obviously you did, because you called all the way down)........then why not raise him on the flop instead of giving him a chance now to draw out on you? When he bets just $1 on the flop, if you think your hand is the best here, you should be wanting to make him think about his own hand for a minute and put a little pressure on here. Just calling the flop with your hand for $1, is just allowing him to draw out on you. I think that's why he was grumbling a bit........you never made a move......not once! It would have been a shame if your opponent held an Ace and no other piece to the flop, and that is why you need to protect your hand if you're going to continue calling anyway. I would have made a raise (and a substantial one at that) right on the flop. 4P- | ||
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| Re: opinions on hand, Brian Benson, 23. Aug 2003 16:24 | ||
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| I was playing passively because I think I had just overplayed a couple of hands. I think after he bet big on the turn I figured him with just a pair with the one of the cards on the board. If he had not bet on the turn I would've folded on the river thinking he had hit his draw. | ||
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| Re: opinions on hand, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 21:52 | ||
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| on 23. Aug 2003 16:24 Brian Benson wrote: > I was playing passively because I think I had just overplayed a couple of hands. I think > after he bet big on the turn I figured him with just a pair with the one of the cards on > the board. If he had not bet on the turn I would've folded on the river thinking he had > hit his draw. Hey Brian, Well maybe you did overplay a few of your previous hands, so I'm going to take your word for it......BUT, those hands are over now. You realized it....you took the time to go over some of your previous actions that maybe were not the correct play........you analyzied the situation and the playout of these hands, and you were aware that you could/should have played them more correctly and possibly, you could have saved a couple of bets along the way as well, correct? Well the "next hand" that you are dealt HAS to be played the best way you know how to play it, and playing it too passively by allowing your opponent to draw out on you for a very cheap price, is not the way you should be wanting to play "this" hand. IMO Brian, you would have been better off folding your hand right on the flop, then to just call a bet from him for $1. Because when you can't play your hands optimally because you are too caught up in the way you played your last few hands.......then you really should be considering to call it a day for now and go back to the game when you can play each and every one of your hands the best/correct way you know how, without letting a mistake or two compound itself even more. So when you underplayed your hand here, IMHO you just added another mistake, and one that could have been quite costly. Perhaps if you had lost this hand to him you may have realized that you did indeed play it too passively by letting him "get there" without making him "think" about his own holding and whether or not he should be committing any more of his chips now. You have to know "why" you are calling, betting, folding, raising, etc. etc. And all that thinking and reasoning HAS to be based on the hand that you are currently involved in. Does that make sense? It *doesn't* matter if you won this hand......IMO, you didn't play it to win it. So why play it at all?......that's the point I'm trying to bring up here. Win or lose, it doesn't matter......what DOES matter, is playing your hands the best way you can, based on the strength of the hand itself......and based on the actions and reactions of your opponents at hand. EACH hand is independant from the next. If I held 9-9 and got that flop, I'd be raising him here. It will also give you some information on his hand, too. But let him think about his hand for a minute. Give yourself a chance at allowing your hand to hold up. If he plays back at you too hard, THEN you can make another decision on what may be the best play/option for you now. You had a great read on this player, but you didn't act on that read. Just some thoughts here and something to consider if you want to be able to maximize on your good hands, while still being able to throw away your potentially losing hands so you can minimize your losses as well. Put those strong "reads" into use Brian because that's the only way to win. You must be able to apply everything that you do know, each and every time you enter a pot. Hope this helps. 4P- | ||
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| Re: opinions on hand, Guru, 23. Aug 2003 15:22 | ||
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| Brian, I'm glad you won the hand, but I wouldn't have made the same call without a laser read on badguy (nice name) there. I can see sticking around after the flop (maybe), but when Ace hit and strong betting afterwards, I would have mucked quickly. A lot of guys like to hold on to any Ax and that board would be the very board someone wih that hand would hang around for. Maybe he had A2, A3, or A4 and just cuaght a low pair, but A3 has the wheel. Even if he had A anything else, he probably would hang around trying to catch it. Once the Ace fell and he went all-in, I'd have to put him on at least Aces probably better. You also weren't getting any odds to that pot with the all-in bet. You got lucky. Of course, if he had anything, he wouldn't be whining. | ||
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| Re: opinions on hand, Piers Majestyk, 23. Aug 2003 19:09 | ||
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| I strongly agree with 4Poker here. If you don't put some pressure on him on the flop which I think you should then you should definately max him on the turn. You played this way to passively in my way of thinking. | ||
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