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 Please help me, Eihli, 23. Aug 2003 03:46 | ||
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| I just started playing poker a few weeks ago and put $200 in UB. I've read both Play poker like the pros and Winning Low Limit Hold'em. I started off playing at the .25/.50 tables and was up $30ish in just a couple days. I move up to try the 1/2 tables and find them to be just as loose as the .25/.50 tables and I play there for a few sessions and make another $20. Now on to the problems I'm having. I get on today and join a 1/2 game. I win maybe one pot in almost 2 hours and am down $40. Afraid to lose more money I move down to the .50/1 tables and opened 3 windows to play because I heard it might reduce variance. I couldn't keep track of how people played very well, but that is hard to do online anyway and I really think I was playing my A+ game. After another couple hours I am down $20 in each of the games. Afraid of losing even more money I drop down to the .25/.50 tables again and start playing 4 of them. In the first hour I'm up 2 dollars, and the second hour I'm down $20. All together this is a huge hit on my bankroll of only $200 and I'm hoping that it is just normal variance, but I need assurance of that. Here is how I play, please tell me whether this should win at the low limits: I'll cap betting preflop with AA-QQ, depending on who is doing the betting determines whether I cap it with JJ and how much I bet with TT. I'll call up to 2 bets with 99-77. On all of these pocket pairs I fold without hesitation if there is reason to believe someone hit an overcard to my pair. If I'm last to bet and on a draw, and it seems like everyone has a weak hand I'll bet the flop to try to get a free turn. I raise AKs and call with AQ-AJs, dropping if there is no improvement on the flop. Lower suited connectors (QJ-9T) I'll play in later position, again dropping if I don't get pot odds for a flush/straight draw. From the small blind I'll almost play any two suited cards if there is no raise. How can I lose over $100 in one day playing like this at these low of limits? Please don't tell me it's too loose... Is it too tight maybe? Should I start playing unsuited connectors from late position? Play lower pairs and hope for a set? Thanks you for your tiime, this turned out a little longer than expected. | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Swagman, 23. Aug 2003 04:27 | ||
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| I would start by not playing more then 1 table at a time. My game goes down if I do it. I can win more money playing mutliple windows quicker, but I am not playing each window as optimally as I could play them. And for some one that is just starting out, I'd tell you to slow it down a bit. Your playing 3 windows and moved up 3 different levels in a really short period of time. It sounds to me your biting off a little more than u can chew. | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Guru, 23. Aug 2003 09:02 | ||
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| First, I would say only play one table at a time for now. Many people can play multiple tables successfully, but only after they have a good understanding of the game. While Hold 'Em seems easy to learn and play, it's a very difficult game to master. | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Louie D., 23. Aug 2003 09:25 | ||
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| I agree with Both Sawgman and Guru Slow down a bit. I play at UB also. 3 windows is very tuff... The game moves at a very fast pace with 3 windows that means ur decision makeing must be very fast.Go back to one window drop back down to the .25/.50 Take your time. Good Luck Peace Louied | ||
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| Re: Please help me, grant pittman, 23. Aug 2003 11:14 | ||
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| Eihli I agree that playing more than one game when you are inexperienced in the game of poker will just be counter productive. Also be aware that formulating set strategies based on the texture of your hand preflop is incomplete and often just WRONG!!! Poker is most assuredly a situational game that has many factors that affect your proper decision in EACH AND EVERY HAND. I have seen players attempt to play the game "by the book" and I can report that the very best and most disciplined of these players experienced VERY limited success but they ALWAYS experienced plenty of frustration. Just a thought. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Please help me, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 13:44 | ||
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| Hi, I really think you should stick to playing just one game at a time. I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but I'm going to guess that it isn't very long, correct? You want to try now to develop and improve some of your own poker knowledge, so you'll be able to apply it in the game where you are chosing to play. Now because poker has many, many, factors and nuances to it.......not all games will be the same. You may be playing in 3 games at one time, but each game may have totally different types of players in it, and IMHO Eihli........you need to be focusing and concentrating on every single "play"......."moves"......."tendencies", that your opponents are capable of. You need to understand what *your* abilities are, AND the abilities of the players that you will be playing against so you can play your hands correctly and accordingly to whom ever is in the hand with you. The game of poker is a very situational game where some of your best and perhaps more clearer decisions will be based on the tendencies/abilities/capabilities of the players who are involved with you, and how you may play a certain hand against one opponent may very well be played entirely different against another player. (example)...against a certain type of player you may chose to call a bet with your holding, but against say a more solid player, you may now opt to fold your hand instead. That's what I mean by situational. Because everything in poker *does* depend on the situation at hand. If you're playing in more than one game at a time, you're probably going to miss out on a lot of very important/valuable information, and because of that......whatever skills and edges you do have, may be slighted. A big part of poker, and being able to play winning poker, is possessing self-discipline at all times. It goes hand in hand with good money management skills. So if I were you, I would try to use my money the best way I knew how to possibly make more money with what I had......and that means, to cherish the bankroll that you do have, and play in a game that will give you the best chance at accomplishing just that. And I honestly think you will be giving yourself a better chance if you chose to play in just one game at a time, and really put your mind and the knowledge that you currently have on poker and take it slow. Try to build your bankroll up slowly and correctly (while still learning the game)...........and when you get alot more experience and aquire more skills/edges, then you may want to try and play in more than one game at a time. Please don't try to conquer the game all at once. Just something to consider. Hope this helps. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Eihli, 23. Aug 2003 16:33 | ||
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| Ok, I agree that 4 tables is too many. Now that I'm back playing one table at a time I'm losing money a lot slower. I saved a few hands if anyone wants to critique them I'd appreciate it. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Hand 1//////////////////////////////////////////////////// Getting Hand History Information... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #351234-1332 at Lima ($.25/$.50 Hold'em Kill) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 23/Aug/03 06:23:29 WSPanic is at seat 0 with $19.60. Jonny Be Good is at seat 1 with $45.75. mikiusman is at seat 2 with $9.15. wildhog62 is at seat 3 with $26.45. KC_B is at seat 4 with $52.55 (sitting out). jonnypots is at seat 5 with $4. Eihli is at seat 7 with $21.45. sdragon is at seat 8 with $26.20. The button is at seat 5. The kill game is not active. Eihli posts the small blind of $.10. sdragon posts the big blind of $.25. WSPanic: -- -- Jonny Be Good: -- -- mikiusman: -- -- wildhog62: -- -- jonnypots: -- -- Eihli: Js As sdragon: -- -- Pre-flop: WSPanic folds. Jonny Be Good folds. mikiusman raises to $.50. wildhog62 folds. jonnypots calls. Eihli calls. sdragon folds. Flop (board: 7s Ks 8c): Eihli bets $.25. mikiusman raises to $.50. jonnypots folds. Eihli calls. Turn (board: 7s Ks 8c Qd): Eihli checks. mikiusman bets $.50. Eihli calls. River (board: 7s Ks 8c Qd Ad): Eihli checks. mikiusman bets $.50. Eihli calls. Showdown: mikiusman shows Qc Ah. mikiusman has Qc Ah Ks Qd Ad: two pair, aces and queens. Eihli mucks cards. (Eihli has Js As.) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Hand 2//////////////////////////////////////////////////// gunny326 is at seat 0 with $26.90. Eihli is at seat 1 with $47.60. jar is at seat 2 with $21.90. meanmallard is at seat 3 with $18.25. bizz19 is at seat 4 with $11.40. Speargun is at seat 5 with $8.55. PigPenSR is at seat 6 with $22.90. hokie95 is at seat 7 with $7.50. shadow52 is at seat 8 with $13.50. BIGSHU is at seat 9 with $14.10. The button is at seat 8. BIGSHU posts the small blind of $.10. gunny326 posts the big blind of $.25. gunny326: -- -- Eihli: Qh Qs jar: -- -- meanmallard: -- -- bizz19: -- -- Speargun: -- -- PigPenSR: -- -- shadow52: -- -- BIGSHU: -- -- Pre-flop: Eihli raises to $.50. jar folds. meanmallard calls. bizz19 folds. Speargun calls. PigPenSR folds. shadow52 folds. BIGSHU re-raises to $.75. gunny326 folds. Eihli re-raises to $1. meanmallard calls. Speargun calls. BIGSHU calls. Flop (board: 5s 9d 9h): BIGSHU checks. Eihli bets $.25. meanmallard calls. Speargun folds. BIGSHU calls. Turn (board: 5s 9d 9h As): BIGSHU checks. Eihli checks. meanmallard checks. River (board: 5s 9d 9h As 8s): BIGSHU checks. Eihli bets $.50. meanmallard folds. BIGSHU calls. Showdown: Eihli shows Qh Qs. Eihli has Qh Qs 9d 9h As: two pair, queens and nines. BIGSHU shows Kc Kd. BIGSHU has Kc Kd 9d 9h As: two pair, kings and nines. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Hand 3//////////////////////////////////////////////////// suzy9119 is at seat 0 with $14.35. PokerUks is at seat 1 with $1.80. senorcliff is at seat 2 with $15.15. cowpotts is at seat 3 with $7.65. jbress21 is at seat 4 with $15. Square Deal is at seat 5 with $19.45. azdevil is at seat 6 with $35.95. Eihli is at seat 7 with $25.75. trout62 is at seat 8 with $180.95. rebound boy is at seat 9 with $7.80. The button is at seat 0. PokerUks posts the small blind of $.10. senorcliff posts the big blind of $.25. suzy9119: -- -- PokerUks: -- -- senorcliff: -- -- cowpotts: -- -- jbress21: -- -- Square Deal: -- -- azdevil: -- -- Eihli: Ks As trout62: -- -- rebound boy: -- -- Pre-flop: cowpotts folds. jbress21 folds. Square Deal calls. azdevil calls. Eihli raises to $.50. trout62 folds. rebound boy folds. suzy9119 folds. PokerUks calls. senorcliff folds. Square Deal calls. azdevil calls. Flop (board: Js Kh Ts): PokerUks bets $.25. Square Deal calls. azdevil calls. Eihli raises to $.50. PokerUks calls. Square Deal calls. azdevil calls. Turn (board: Js Kh Ts 4c): PokerUks checks. Square Deal checks. azdevil checks. Eihli bets $.50. PokerUks calls. Square Deal folds. azdevil calls. River (board: Js Kh Ts 4c Jc): PokerUks checks. azdevil checks. Eihli checks. Showdown: PokerUks shows Ah Ac. PokerUks has Ah Ac Js Kh Jc: two pair, aces and jacks. azdevil mucks cards. (azdevil has 6c 9c.) Eihli mucks cards. (Eihli has Ks As.) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Hand 4//////////////////////////////////////////////////// trifecta714 is at seat 0 with $12.75. witness is at seat 1 with $4. punderhil is at seat 2 with $24.40. crazymanx is at seat 3 with $16.95. daddy7 is at seat 4 with $21.40. KC_B is at seat 5 with $36.10. Eihli is at seat 6 with $18.75. sdragon is at seat 7 with $24.35. EVOlution8 is at seat 8 with $27.70. WayneWalker is at seat 9 with $1.35. The button is at seat 2. crazymanx posts the small blind of $.10. daddy7 posts the big blind of $.25. trifecta714: -- -- witness: -- -- punderhil: -- -- crazymanx: -- -- daddy7: -- -- KC_B: -- -- Eihli: Kd Jd sdragon: -- -- WayneWalker: -- -- Pre-flop: KC_B folds. Eihli calls. sdragon folds. WayneWalker folds. trifecta714 calls. witness folds. punderhil calls. crazymanx folds. daddy7 checks. Flop (board: Qs Th Qd): daddy7 bets $.25. Eihli calls. trifecta714 calls. punderhil calls. Turn (board: Qs Th Qd As): daddy7 bets $.50. Eihli raises to $1. trifecta714 folds. punderhil folds. daddy7 re-raises to $1.50. Eihli calls. River (board: Qs Th Qd As Ah): daddy7 checks. Eihli checks. Showdown: daddy7 shows Qh Js. daddy7 has Qh Qs Qd As Ah: full house, queens full of aces. Eihli mucks cards. (Eihli has Kd Jd.) ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////END//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is frustraiting. Things happen all to often like me getting pocket aces, raising, having it capped before it gets back to me, board comes with what looks like blanks only the person that capped betting preflop made his set of 2's. Or 45o will call 2 raises cold preflop and make a full house to beat out my flush. Thanks again everyone for your suggestions. | ||
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| Re: Please help me, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 22:37 | ||
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| Hi, I'd like to give my opinion on the first two hands. Hand #1: You hold As-Js with three people in the pot. You're in the SB and there is a raise pre-flop. The flop comes up with a King, two low cards, with two to your nut flush draw. You bet out and got raised and were left heads up now. I probably would have checked the flop for a couple of reasons. One, if your opponent has a King or even something better......he's going to raise you on the flop and that could drive out the other player. But you want the other player in the pot in case you do complete your nut flush. By betting into the pre-flop raiser could leave you to be in a heads up situation now, and unless you do hit your flush, you're probably going to have to fold unless you hit an Ace and it's good, because hitting the Jack will not be good enough if he does indeed hold a King. What I'm saying is, you only have one overcard to the board. Even though you did hit an Ace and it wasn't good enough, I still agree with your call on the river. Ok, it's really not what you were looking to hit, but IMO, your call was correct there. Next time, maybe you should consider just check calling the flop when all you basically have is the nut flush draw with no pair. Allow the other players to see the flop with you so you'll get a good payout when you do hit it . You don't have anything anyway here, so why bet it into a preflop raiser. If you held top pair with your nut flush draw, I would say, yeah, bet it because you will still have outs and a reason to call him if he *does* raise you here and you wind up taking the rest of the hand heads up. But with only a draw, (EVEN the nut draw).....you want some volume in there in case you do hit it. It doesn't matter if someone has a pair already......you want them in there.....you are drawing to the nuts. Hand #2 Q-Q. I liked the way you played this hand. I agree with your preflop raise.....I liked how you chose to bet it on the flop, check the turn, and then bet the river. IMO, you played it really well. Okay, your opponent had pocket Kings and never reraised you pre-flop, but IMO, I think he played his hand poorly. So don't feel bad that you lost this one particular hand Eihli, at least you played it correctly to "give" yourself a chance of winning it.......not like the other guy with the 2 Kings. And that's all you can ask from yourself.......play your hands correctly.........win or lose. And that's what you did here, so.....Good job on this hand Eihli. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Eihli, 23. Aug 2003 23:38 | ||
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| By not check-calling the flop I was trying to give the impression I had a made hand right there and wasn't on the flush draw, that way if the 3rd spade did come, they wouldn't have been as alarmed when I bet/raised. | ||
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| Re: Please help me, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 23:47 | ||
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| on 23. Aug 2003 23:38 Eihli wrote: > By not check-calling the flop I was trying to give the impression I had a made hand right there and > wasn't on the flush draw, that way if the 3rd spade did come, they wouldn't have been as alarmed > when I bet/raised. Okay! (if you think that a bet there will not wind up costing you too much when you don't hit the flush and/or, if and when you get played back at by perhaps a more aggresive and solid opponent who is reading you for just that). Just keep in mind.......flushes don't hit that often, and with not have flopping at least a pair, it's just something you should consider before you make a lead out bet into a preflop raiser, that's all. Now I'm not saying that you should always check the flop here, but you also have to consider what "could" happen after you do bet it. What type of play do you feel more comfortable with? Do you think a bet will cause this particular player at hand to give you a free card if you don't connect on the turn? If Yes.......then you can make that type of semi-bluff play with more ease.........but if he's not going to give you a freebie and he plays his hands really well........that bet there by you could cost you more than it should with no other draw to the hand. Just trying to get you to look at it from a different angle....... and one that needs to be thought out carefully depending on who is in the hand with you at that very moment. And if you feel that your Ace high is not the best at the moment (and it probably isn't), and you feel that if you DO hit a Jack on the turn (or an Ace for that matter) and THAT is not going to be enough to beat one of your opponents.....depending on how many players are seeing the flop.....and depending on how many of them will still continue with a call for one bet......sometimes.......it will be more advantagous $$ wise to just check and hope that several of them call a single bet from the pre-flop raiser. This way if and when you do hit your hand, there will be alot of money in the pot, and you may even get paid off in a couple of spots here because the size of the pot was worth it for them to call you. There are many ways to play any one hand.......and that is due to the many different factors of poker. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Please help me, LJH, 24. Aug 2003 07:00 | ||
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| EIHLI, SLOW DOWN!!! YOU HARDLY KNOW THE GAME AND YOU ARE ON TILT ALREADY. POKER IS LONG TERM. READ MORE BOOKS. PLAY A LITTLE TIGHTER HAVE SOME FUN. LJH | ||
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| Re: Please help me, Troy Becker, 25. Aug 2003 13:04 | ||
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| I have only one word to describe the day you had - TILT!!!!!! we all hate to quit when we're behind, it's human nature, but in all honesty if you had stopped with your first losses and done something else, taken the day off, you could have come back the next day refreshed, with a new attitude and a lot less stressed! gl to ya in the future | ||
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