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 Pot Limit Question, Barry T, 22. Aug 2003 15:51 | ||
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| Hi. I am playing PL Omaha High. Live game. I have $700, which is a very short stack for this game. UTG puts in a $20 straddle. Three other players call the straddle. as does the small blind. I have AA923 double suited. Complete? Rise a little? Raise a lot? BarryT | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, palman, 22. Aug 2003 15:53 | ||
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| you have 5 cards in omaha =) | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, Roy Cooke, 22. Aug 2003 15:57 | ||
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| Hi Barry You have a dead hand :-) Roy Cooke on 22. Aug 2003 15:51 Barry T wrote: > Hi. I am playing PL Omaha High. Live game. I have $700, which is a very short > stack for this game. UTG puts in a $20 straddle. Three other players call the > straddle. as does the small blind. I have AA923 double suited. Complete? > Rise a little? Raise a lot? > > BarryT > | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, Roy Cooke, 22. Aug 2003 16:04 | ||
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| I raise the pot! Roy Cooke on 22. Aug 2003 15:51 Barry T wrote: > Hi. I am playing PL Omaha High. Live game. I have $700, which is a very short > stack for this game. UTG puts in a $20 straddle. Three other players call the > straddle. as does the small blind. I have AA923 double suited. Complete? > Rise a little? Raise a lot? > > BarryT > | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, Tim C, 22. Aug 2003 20:11 | ||
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| Do they give you an extra card every hand, or just once a night. At 5 to 4 I would raise till I was out of chips. Did you have A923? | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, 4 POKER, 22. Aug 2003 20:45 | ||
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| Hi Barry, Were you dealt A-A-9-2,or (A-A-9-3, A-A-9-2, A-A-2-3, OR-A-9-2-3)? You accidentally typed in A-A-9-2-3. But for arguments sake,(and discussion)... let's say you held *two Aces* w/a nine and (either a 2 or a 3) being that you were asking if you should raise it *pre-flop*. So I'm going to assume that you held either A-A-9-3 or A-A-9-2, (both pretty equal in strength). If the hand was suited, it would add more strength to the hand. If it wasn't suited, your holding is really not that great for Omaha High. But even suited, you are holding 2 cards (excluding the 2 Aces) with very little help to your hand. In Omaha High (only) your looking to hold 4 cards to a wrap straight (preferably higher wrap cards; K-Q-J-10, A-K-Q-10, etc), OR a hand more like "A-A"-K-Q (suited Ace/s), OR, "A-A"-J-10 (suited). Something with more potential to hit the flop harder and with more outs to complete the straight draw of hitting the "Nut straight", OR.....a wrap straight draw with redraw to the nut flush. I think a hand like that (2 Aces with strong cards to with them, and suited), has a far better chance in improving than 2 Aces suited with a couple of rags. The "nine" in your hand will not connect to any straight with the other 3 cards, and the 2 and/or the 3 cards are almost useless here IMO. Note: the only straight you could hit here would be a small straight that could easily be drawn out on by someone who may be holding higher (medium card wrap) cards. BUT........ if the hand was *not suited,* I would only continue for a cheap bet, and even that call would be questionable because your Aces could already be dead to hit here, leaving you with not much potential with the two other rag cards. You're basically drawing to hit a 2 -outer (Ace) flop, and to proceed more easly with calling or raising any of the betting here.......you'd be in trouble (money wise) if you didn't fill up by the turn if the board was too coordinated and/or there was substantial raising going on. You just don't hold enough strength with the other two cards here. Meaning...."no redraw to anything but a full house IF an Ace lands on the flop".......No flush potential.......Not enough nut straight potential with an Ace/two/three. So if your hand was not suited, I'd wait for a better spot with a much stronger holding than 2 Aces with 2 rags, where you already have 5 players contesting for the pot. You also have to take into consideration that the "live straddler" may decide to press it even more now pre-flop when the option gets back to him. I want to have redraw in this game.......so make sure you are suited so you can continue with more ease preflop/postflop and against 5 other opponents. As far as raising the hand preflop? If you're suited, I still may apt for just calling with one big factor being, the two other cards (except for the flush potential) are otherwise rag cards. (I guess it would also depend on the aggresion of your opponets as well). Do you want all of them in, or would you be trying to knock some of them out? Would you be willing to put in even more money with your suited hand if it now got back raised? There is a chance that the pot could get back to you for almost all that you have in front of you.....and without having all 4 cards working perfectly, (including having straight outs with your flush draw).....I think I would just call. Just some thoughts here. 4 POKER | ||
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| Pot Limit Question revised, Barry T, 23. Aug 2003 01:23 | ||
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| Hi. OK, I fat-fingered it. I have AA93 double-suited. Post $10. Live $20 behind me. 3 callers + SB. I can complete, make a pot-building raise or raise the pot. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question revised, 4 POKER, 23. Aug 2003 01:35 | ||
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| Hi Barry, I responded to your post (above), and my thoughts on your holding still stands. Yes, the double suited Aces will add *alot* more to your holding, but your 9 card and your 3 card are very rough cards. In my original post I spoke of your hand being suited vs. non-suited (as I wasn't quite sure)......so just disregard the non-suited material for this particular discussion and feel free to respond with your thoughts. Thanks Barry. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, grant pittman, 23. Aug 2003 11:27 | ||
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| Barry I would raise it the pot here on the strength of the hand itself. True there is only one straight draw with this hand (and no nut straight draws) but you do have 2 nut flush draws to go along with the nut pair. The lousy part about playing this hand is that you are very unlikely to get anyone to play back at you before the flop. This of course makes you a target to be robbed if the flop doesn't hit you well since you will have around $600 left and it will not be an automatic bet post flop by any means. That being said, SLAM a pot sized raise in there preflop. GAMBLE!!!!!!!!(with the best hand of course). GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, gary ford, 23. Aug 2003 13:15 | ||
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| on 23. Aug 2003 11:27 grant pittman wrote: > Barry I would raise it the pot here on the strength of the hand itself. True there is > only one straight draw with this hand (and no nut straight draws) but you do have 2 > nut flush draws to go along with the nut pair. The lousy part about playing this hand > is that you are very unlikely to get anyone to play back at you before the flop. This > of course makes you a target to be robbed if the flop doesn't hit you well since you > will have around $600 left and it will not be an automatic bet post flop by any > means. That being said, SLAM a pot sized raise in there preflop. GAMBLE!!!!!!!!(with > the best hand of course). GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, gary ford, 23. Aug 2003 13:17 | ||
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| even the experts disagree, but THAT'S POKER evreyone should play poker, fuel the boom---Gary | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Question, Andrew Wells, 24. Aug 2003 13:25 | ||
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| How aggressive are they after the flop? Are they going to let you complete a possible nut flush draw cheaply? Unless this is a soft lineup I don't care much for your hand unless you flop an ace. What is the nature of the straddler? Does he have lots of money, is it more of a steam straddle, or does it look like he's going to go all-in before the flop with a short stack holding anything? I like the idea of a raise to maybe get some of the limpers to fold, but a small raise isn't going to do it. On the other hand I don't think your cards are coordinated enough to make a large raise out of position. Let's say the straddler has a small stack. Now I would be more inclined to make a raise such that he could come over the top all-in with a near pot sized move. Otherwise I probably call, looking to checkraise large if an ace falls. I'm not a fan of pot building on the strength of double suitedness alone. | ||
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