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 Please Critique, Stevolley, 22. Aug 2003 11:20 | ||
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| Heads-up hold-em against a friend, playing a freeze-out for $20 Blinds are 1-2 we each have 100 chips. Very first hand I get 7s7c, I raise to 6, my opponent calls. Tight Aggresive opponent I can read pretty well. Flop comes 4c 5s 6c I bet 12, he raises to 24......now my thought process.......he doesn't have any PP above me he would have played much stronger pre-flop. The chances of him having aces is even worth worrying about, and he would have gone all in or waited for turn to earn more chips. I think he is bluffing or has Ace and part of the board. The hands I was worried about I determined he couldn't have. Overpair, no, two pair, he wouldn't have called a raise and if he did he would have gone all-in. I think I am winning and have a good draw so I go all-in. Good or bad all-in? | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Paul Stine, 22. Aug 2003 11:28 | ||
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| on 22. Aug 2003 11:20 Stevolley wrote: > Heads-up hold-em against a friend, playing a freeze-out for $20 > > Blinds are 1-2 we each have 100 chips. > > Very first hand I get 7s7c, I raise to 6, my opponent calls. Tight Aggresive > opponent I can read pretty well. > > Flop comes 4c 5s 6c I bet 12, he raises to 24......now my thought > process.......he doesn't have any PP above me he would have played much stronger > pre-flop. The chances of him having aces is even worth worrying about, and he > would have gone all in or waited for turn to earn more chips. I think he is > bluffing or has Ace and part of the board. The hands I was worried about I > determined he couldn't have. Overpair, no, two pair, he wouldn't have called a > raise and if he did he would have gone all-in. I think I am winning and have a > good draw so I go all-in. Good or bad all-in? He has a monsterous overpair and was slow playing before the flop. Get out while you have some chips left. You only have 8 maybe ten outs. Besides, unless you are going to a fire you have a lot of time left to win the tourney and your fold my inspire him to overconfidence. "What's the rush?" - Anonymous Grandmother Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, ezcheese, 22. Aug 2003 12:46 | ||
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| i'll tell you if it was a smart play when you tell me what happened ;) | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Mark Gregorich, 22. Aug 2003 12:48 | ||
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| I like your play here. While it is possible that you do not have the best hand, you have a probable 10 outs to improve if you are behind at this point, assuming your buddy doesn't have a straight already. I agree with your read that he is likely to be holding an ace with a piece of the flop. It would seem logical that he would play this hand in this manner. Of course, he may also make the small raise with a monster hand so as not to scare you off. But, that's why they call it gambling. Either way, I dont think you can fold for the small raise. He's giving you 4:1 odds on the call, and your odds of improving on the next card are 4.7:1. When you factor in that you may have the best hand already (a likely possibility in my opinion) and that you may bust him if you improve, then I think you must at least call. If you call and miss, and he then makes a big bet, you will have a tough decision to make. You'll probably be getting about 2:1 odds on this call, not enough if you feel you are drawing with the worst hand. You'll have to weigh in the likelihood that your 77 is good here in order to make a decision. Moving all in on the flop allows you to avoid this dilemna, plus it protects your pair when it is the best hand. If you are beaten, you have enough outs to justify making the play. So, I say that you played the hand well. Mark Gregorich | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Schuster, 22. Aug 2003 15:13 | ||
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| I agree with Mark, I think there is a reasonable chance that you have the best hand here. I'd put him on a piece of the board with an ace. If he flopped 2 pair, you're not that bad of a dog. If he's on a set, you have 10 outs to redraw with 2 cards to come. The only time you're in big trouble is if he flopped the nut straight, and that seems somewhat unlikely being that he called the preflop raise. If you do go all in here, there's a small chance that he might fold a hand better than yours, 8's or 9's. Bottom line is that if I put all my chips in heads up match with this hand, I would feel like I made the right play even the outcome wasn't what I wanted. How did it end up? Lee | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Risky Business, 22. Aug 2003 13:21 | ||
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| I've written and erased an epic about this, so here are my cliff notes... I think he either slowplayed a higher pair as he has no reason to push you out of the very first hand, what's the use? He may have simply called your $6 with a small pair, looking for a set. The reason he's raising is that he doesn't make you for the straight (you wouldn't raise initially with 8-7), so he feels he's still ahead with either a higher pair, 10-A, or has hit a set after holding a pair of 4's,5's,or 6's. There are a lot of pairs he can have in the beginning of the hand, but not a lot to call/raise your subsequent bet. I have to think you're behind, and therefore don't like the all-in. I can't imagine a tight aggressive player holding 2 cards above 10 and betting over 25% of his remaining stack on the first hand. Hope it worked out for you. | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, 4 POKER, 22. Aug 2003 14:05 | ||
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| Good post Risky. I like your thought process on this hand. (well stated IMHO). 4P- | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Stevolley, 22. Aug 2003 20:49 | ||
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| The outcome was, he held Q3c, and won when the turn was a Q and the river was a club. I was a 55-57% favorite, and it didn't work. The read was absolutely perfect but I still lost. Risky and 4Poker, if you knew you had the best hand, what are your thoughts of an all in, I think I should have raised 20 more thinking about it again. | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Schuster, 23. Aug 2003 00:16 | ||
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| If I held Qc 3c and you popped it back for 20 more, I might just push all my chips in and let you have the decision. You have pretty good odds to end up with a pair of queens or better by the river. With the possibility of you folding, I think it would be the best play in his shoes, and I still think the all in was the best play for you. Lee | ||
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| Re: Please Critique, Risky Business, 25. Aug 2003 07:03 | ||
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| We've discussed how YOUR odds looked, let's look at his so we'll understand a bit more why he did what he did.... (9) clubs, (3) queens, (4) 2's, and (2) 7's. 18-45. Not too shabby, considering he probably thinks he has (4) 7's to catch, and is comfortable you don't have a higher pair than his queen. Personally, I'm surprised he called your $6 raise in the beginning. You labeled him tight-aggressive. Q-3 doesn't sound tight to me, but he sure was aggressive. Another raise of 20, that's up to you, but why the urgency? I wouldn't walk away a loser from a tournament after one single hand feeling good that I played a pair of 7's to the death. on 22. Aug 2003 20:49 Stevolley wrote: > The outcome was, he held Q3c, and won when the turn was a Q and the river was a club. > I was a 55-57% favorite, and it didn't work. The read was absolutely perfect but I still lost. > > Risky and 4Poker, if you knew you had the best hand, what are your thoughts of an all in, I think I should have raised 20 more thinking about it again. | ||
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