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 pot odds question, mlh, 22. Aug 2003 10:52 | ||
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| I'd like some help confirming the way I count bets and calculate pot odds. Here's a hypothetical situation. Thanks in advance: In a 9 player $2/4 HE game I'm 2nd off the button. There are 4 callers before the flop. I call with 5.5:1 pot odds. The cutoff folds. The button calls, but there is a $1 live button charge (for the jackpot), so the bet count is now 7 (half of the button's bet was dropped). SB calls. BB checks. The bet count is now 7.5. Good so far? The flop comes And the dealer drops $3. The bet count is now 5.5. SB bets. BB and 4 players call before me. The bet count is now 11.5. I subtract $1 for a tip. 11:1 are my pot odds I call making the pot 12 bets. Unexpectedly, the button raises. SB calls, BB calls, everyone else folds in front of me. Now there are 16 bets in the pot. Are my pot odds 16:1, or is there some calculation that I should be doing after a raise behind me? Thanks, MLH | ||
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| Re: pot odds question, DJpoker, 24. Aug 2003 15:00 | ||
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| Hey MLH, My answers are intertwined. > In a 9 player $2/4 HE game I'm 2nd off the button. > There are 4 callers before the flop. I call with 5.5:1 pot odds. > The cutoff folds. The button calls, but there is a $1 live button charge (for the jackpot), so the bet count is now 7 (half of the button's bet was > dropped). SB calls. BB checks. The bet count is now 7.5. > The flop comes And the dealer drops $3. The bet count is now 5.5. I think it would be 6 bets (or 3 Big Bets) assuming $15 - $3 drop. >SB bets. BB and 4 players call before me. The bet count is now >11.5. I subtract $1 for a tip. 11:1 are my pot odds I call making the >pot 12 bets. Your call makes it 13 bets (6.5 Big bets) and your pot odds are 6.5:1 because there is $26 in pot, $4 of which is yours. > Unexpectedly, the button raises. SB calls, BB calls, everyone else > folds in front of me. Now there are 16 bets in the pot. Are my pot >odds 16:1, or is there some calculation that I should be doing after a >raise behind me? The bet comes to you with 17 bets in the pot, your bet makes 18 (or 9 Big Bets). That means that if you call there is $36 in pot and $6 of it is yours, making your pot odds 6:1. On the turn, it will depend on who bets. If SB or BB bet out, then you must plan on another raise from button. It may not happen, but this must be figured into your equation. If SB bets, BB calls, you call and button raises with everyone calling, then that adds 8 Big bets to the pot meaning that the pot now would have $68 (17 Big bets) of which $14 is yours (pot odds of approx. 4.8:1) On the other hand, if everyone checks to button and then calls, the pot would have 13 big bets ($52 of which $10 is yours - odds of 5.2:1) I generally don't get that specific. I just figure Big Bets divided by my Big Bets and it is generally right. Hope this helps. DJ poker > > Thanks, > MLH | ||
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| Re: pot odds question, mlh, 25. Aug 2003 09:48 | ||
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| Your addition after the flop was right, but the way you calculate pot odds isn't correct from what I've read. Pot odds aren't calculated by dividing the total pot by your total contribution to the pot. Once you've put money in the pot you shouldn't think of it as your money any more. Pot odds are the ratio of the total pot size (including money you've contributed) to the current bet you're considering calling. So if the pot is $24 and I'm considering a $2 call, my pot odds are 24:2 or 12:1. Implied odds are a ratio of the total current pot + future opponent's bets compared to the current call you must make. Effective odds are a ratio of the total current pot + future opponent's bets compared to the current call you must make + future calls you must make. -MLH on 24. Aug 2003 15:00 DJpoker wrote: > Hey MLH, > My answers are intertwined. > > > In a 9 player $2/4 HE game I'm 2nd off the button. > > There are 4 callers before the flop. I call with 5.5:1 pot odds. > > The cutoff folds. The button calls, but there is a $1 live button charge (for the > jackpot), so the bet count is now 7 (half of the button's bet was > > dropped). SB calls. BB checks. The bet count is now 7.5. > > The flop comes And the dealer drops $3. The bet count is now 5.5. > > I think it would be 6 bets (or 3 Big Bets) assuming $15 - $3 drop. > > >SB bets. BB and 4 players call before me. The bet count is now >11.5. I > subtract $1 for a tip. 11:1 are my pot odds I call making the >pot 12 bets. > > Your call makes it 13 bets (6.5 Big bets) and your pot odds are 6.5:1 because there > is $26 in pot, $4 of which is yours. > > > Unexpectedly, the button raises. SB calls, BB calls, everyone else > > folds in front of me. Now there are 16 bets in the pot. Are my pot >odds 16:1, > or is there some calculation that I should be doing after a >raise behind me? > > The bet comes to you with 17 bets in the pot, your bet makes 18 (or 9 Big Bets). > That means that if you call there is $36 in pot and $6 of it is yours, making your > pot odds 6:1. > > On the turn, it will depend on who bets. If SB or BB bet out, then you > must plan on another raise from button. It may not happen, but this must be figured > into your equation. If SB bets, BB calls, you call and button raises with everyone > calling, then that adds 8 Big bets to the pot meaning that the pot now would have $68 > (17 Big bets) of which $14 is yours (pot odds of approx. 4.8:1) > > On the other hand, if everyone checks to button and then calls, the pot would have > 13 big bets ($52 of which $10 is yours - odds of 5.2:1) > > I generally don't get that specific. I just figure Big Bets divided by my Big Bets > and it is generally right. Hope this helps. DJ poker > > > > Thanks, > > MLH | ||
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| Re: pot odds question, DJpoker, 26. Aug 2003 19:01 | ||
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| Hey MLh, You may be right. I have always figured pot odds based on the number of my bets compared to the # of bets in the pot. So in effect I guess I'm figuring how much I stand to make. I will have to reread and thanks for the info. My method has been very effective for me so maybe I'll start my own theory LMAO. Good luck, DJpoker | ||
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