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 Horribe NL Tourney beat, mroban, 21. Aug 2003 21:16 | ||
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| This is just a whine guys. Playing in the UB $10 NL tourney tonight. I was playing fairly solid poker all night, suffered a bad beat, but was hanging around at 50-100 blinds with about 180 players remaining and I had T1200. Not great, but hanging in there. finally, I get AA on the button. I get 3 limpers and I make a pot sized raise of 630. The blinds fold, 1st limper calls and the others fold. Heads up on the flop, it comes 234 rainbow. He checks. I figure A5 is not calling my pot sized raise and go all in. He calls! He flips up 55 and I am in great shape. His 5 cant help him as it will make a straight for me. Turn is a K, excellent. He is dead to 2 sixes. and the river is. YEP, you guessed it, a 6. Instead of doubling up and sitting pretty in the middle of the pack for a while with chips to play with, I am busted out. Really disappointing because I really felt that I was playing good solid NL Holdem, doing everything I was supposed to be doing. So far, I have gotten creamed with KK and AA by some awful river beat in every damn tourney I have played. I am getting incredibly discouraged. | ||
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| Re: Horribe NL Tourney beat, MozMan, 21. Aug 2003 21:55 | ||
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| Hey mroban- I know we talked a little at the tables about this. You're right, it sucks to get beat like that, and it makes it really hard to survive a tourney. Now that I think some more about it though, let me say this: don't get discouraged; just change your thinking a little. If you read Brunson talk about tourney play in Super System, he talks about the main difference between tourney play and ring game play: in a tourney you are playing to survive; you can't beat the table early, and you can't keep buying chips until the cards run good. So, play to survive in increments, with as many chips as possible, and keep in mind that if you are playing cheap tourneys like the ones at UB, then that means that you have to play tight for a VERY LONG time before all of the fish bust out. So, another thing that might help would be to move up to higher buy-ins. You will get fewer players, and a smaller percentage will be fish. -Moz "mmmm.... open faced club sand wedge." | ||
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| Re: Horribe NL Tourney beat, mroban, 21. Aug 2003 23:51 | ||
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| great thought MozMan. Perhaps the $30 tourneys would be more fun. Appreciate taking the time before you went to sleep. Are you saying I shouldn't have put all my chips in there though? Just curious if you think (since there was lots of poker left and I wasn't desperate yet) to play it more cautiously. I still think I did the right thing, putting it in on the flop. But I agree with you. Again, thanks. | ||
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| Re: Horribe NL Tourney beat, TexRoadkill, 22. Aug 2003 09:56 | ||
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| That's a tough call. I'm kinda surprised he called you on it but that's what happens at the cheap tables. I'm actually a little surprised he called the preflop bet (not really surprised but I would have folded). My strategy in tourneys is never go all in unless I have the nut or a good hand against an obvious busted draw and never call all in unless I am sure he is bluffing and I have him beat. If you aren't the big stack and can't afford to lose the all in then only do it when you know you can win. You didn't have enough info on the other hand to really make the decision yet. You might have tried a smaller bet to see if he raises you before going all in. | ||
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| Re: Horribe NL Tourney beat, MozMan, 22. Aug 2003 20:36 | ||
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| No, I don't think that's necessarily a bad move, it's just more risky early on in a fishy tourney like that. You are more likely to get called by a stupid hand that ends up catching a miracle draw. Later in the tourney, no one will call without a solid hand. Then, if they catch, you won't feel so bad about it. -Moz "mmmm.... open faced club sand wedge." | ||
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| Re: Horribe NL Tourney beat, Slate, 25. Aug 2003 13:17 | ||
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| Online AA,KK,QQ have been cracked 85% of the time for me. My new strategy works pretty good for online. (since you have callers to the river). Make a small bet and check the flop out, if you have KK and one Ace falls, your kings may have just cracked and you may want to limp unless you can really read the players. Do not get to overly excited about AA or KK. People expect to win with these because its rare they get them. I have laid AA down on many occasions. It was very hard, and all but one it was the right decision. I have gotten beat som many times by river fisherman I no longer value AA and KK the same. Actually I like lower cards sometimes to limp in with. Because people do not see these coming. Again this is no-limit. AA,KK is limit are gold cards. I have KK some one makes a small bet. I raise to triple the pot. The other caller raises to my full chip stack. I have already invested 60% of my chips, should I fold? That time I called, he had AQ and I was beat by a ace on the flop. Yes maybe this was bad luck, but in hindsight I would have preffered to lay them down and live to fight again many more battles instead of one big one. | ||
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