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 getting reraised small in NL, TraderVic, 21. Aug 2003 17:54 | ||
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| How should I have played this: it is late in the tourney with blinds at 500/1000 ($1000 starting chips) and I have 5000 . I am 2 seats from the button and I raise to 2000 (first in) with 9-9. The button (13000 in chips) reraises to 3000 and the BB calls as do I. I figured the raiser may have manipulated his raise amount incorrectly (on line game) and that maybe he meant to raise more than he did. So, he may have JJ or better I figure. On the other hand maybe he only has AK and wants to get it heads up without putting in alot more money; maybe he thinks the blind will call 1000 more but not 2000 more. Anyway, the flop comes T-x-x (ten and two low cards).BB and I check and the button bets 2000. The BB and I fold . if he only had 2 overcards his bet was just a move at the pot. my problem is that I just wasn't sure where I stood. what do you think about my play and how could I have saved myself some chiips this late in the tournement?? | ||
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| Re: getting reraised small in NL, tron, 21. Aug 2003 19:46 | ||
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| hi trader, I think you made the right move. I had the same thing happen to me in a tourney. I had 99 and the guys 3bets me. Now he had JJ. But i might have bet out just to find out where he was. Another thing is how he played previously. Does he 3 bet on AK, Aq or just high pair. Folding was the best option if you think you are beat. Wait fo r where u are the aggresor. | ||
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| Re: getting reraised small in NL, Schuster, 21. Aug 2003 20:08 | ||
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| Ugh, I hate having 5 or 6 blinds left. With 7, you can still make a decent raise and play, with 4 or less, you can just push them all in. With 5, you can't make a decent raise without really committing yourself to the pot, and you can't just push all in and expect to get called if you are at all a favorite. A minimum raise is pretty suspect, and a minimum reraise is even more suspect. I don't see how you could not call a minimum reraise, but that really puts you in a bad position if you miss the flop. If you go all in, your opponent will certainly call. You won't be able to fold him off anything you want him to fold, and you won't be able to get him to call with much that worse than what you have (possible exception of 77 or *maybe* 66). I think at this point, I might just put the last of my chips in and hope to get it to heads up for a coinflip, unless I was close to the money and I could make it with only 2 big blinds left. If I were to play the hand from the start, I would either move in to begin with or fold it. You aren't gonig to fold someone for a minimum raise if they have a hand, but you might just take down the blinds with a 5x big blind raise. I think no matter what, the jacks would have played, and you probably would have lost, but that's poker. Make the best decisions you can and in the long run, you'll be rewarded. Lee | ||
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| Re: getting reraised small in NL, Paul Stine, 22. Aug 2003 05:33 | ||
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| I don't have long to answer right now but, I think your preflop raise was too small. If you have decided that this is a hand you are going to play then you probably want to bet as much as you can into the few players behind you in order to get them to fold. You want to win this hand without seeing a flop. Limit sized betting in a no limit game is bad poker, IMHO, unless (and there is always an unless) you have a specific, tactical reason for doing so. (e.i. you have the nuts and are trying to suck a few more chips out of your opponent.) Your fold on the flop was probably your best decision of this hand. By the way, what hand do you think that the BB called two cold? Even without the reraise from the button I think you are probably a small favorite or a big dog, just based on the call by the BB. One thing that has become more clear to me in the last month or so, (and sitting next to Lederer in a NL tournament help identify this for me) is that you have to be able to "see" the entire table. Not just your hand, not just one of your opponents, everything. You aren't playing on an island, in order to make the correct decisions you have to "see" everything going on at your table. Lederer is a master at this. Gotta go. I hope to be able to expound on this topic later. Paul Stine College Station, TX on 21. Aug 2003 17:54 TraderVic wrote: > How should I have played this: > it is late in the tourney with blinds at 500/1000 ($1000 starting chips) and I > have 5000 . I am 2 seats from the button and I raise to 2000 (first in) with > 9-9. The button (13000 in chips) reraises to 3000 and the BB calls as do I. I > figured the raiser may have manipulated his raise amount incorrectly (on line > game) and that maybe he meant to raise more than he did. So, he may have JJ or > better I figure. On the other hand maybe he only has AK and wants to get it > heads up without putting in alot more money; maybe he thinks the blind will call > 1000 more but not 2000 more. Anyway, the flop comes T-x-x (ten and two low > cards).BB and I check and the button bets 2000. The BB and I fold . if he only > had 2 overcards his bet was just a move at the pot. my problem is that I just > wasn't sure where I stood. what do you think about my play and how could I have > saved myself some chiips this late in the tournement?? | ||
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| Re: getting reraised small in NL, Mark Gregorich, 22. Aug 2003 13:19 | ||
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| I agree with Schuster's response that moving all-in preflop was probably your best course of action here, due to your short stack status. With $500-1000 blinds and $5000 in chips, 99 would look like a good hand to me. I would go all in without hesitation here, for a few reasons: 1. You need to win a pot soon, or you'll be blinded out, and its unlikely you'll see a better situation than this (first in in fairly late position with a medium pair) 2. If you make a small raise, you will likely be called by the big blind with a hand that poses a real threat to 99 - basically any A or 2 overcards (had you moved all-in, hands such as KT or QJ would likely be folded here, which is GREAT for your hand!!!; but these hands would almost certainly call the small raise that you made) 3. Raising a small amount commits half your chips to the pot, and there aren't many times in holdem where its correct to put half your chips in and then fold preflop (certainly not this instance, as there is too great of a likelihood that a reraiser would have AK or AQ) . Even if you held a hand like A6 offsuit, it would still be correct to call a reraise because of the 3:1 price or better you will be getting from the pot (only if your opponent has AA would this be a bad call) So, if you must call the reraise anyway, you may as well be the guy going all-in, as it will make it much tougher for the big blind to call with random overcards. BTW, once the flop comes 10 high and there is at least $9500 in the pot (3k x 3, plus the small blind), your last 2k must go in - its just too likely that your opponents both hold overcards only here! If you run into an overpair, you just got unlucky, but winning this pot will give you well over 10k, and get you into the thick of things. While there is some truth to the "chip and a chair" mentality, folding this hand in this situation is taking it too far, in my opinion. Mark Gregorich | ||
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